Religion – Look at Gaza today. No Israeli occupation, no settlements, not a single Jew left. The Palestinian response? Unremitting rocket fire killing and maiming Israeli civilians. The declared casus belli of the Palestinian government in Gaza behind these rockets? The very existence of a Jewish state.
FTA_Six months before Israel's birth, the U.N. had decided by a two-thirds majority that the only just solution to the British departure from Palestine would be the establishment of a Jewish state and an Arab state side by side. The undeniable fact remains: The Jews accepted that compromise; the Arabs rejected it.
With a vengeance. On the day the British pulled down their flag, Israel was invaded by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Transjordan and Iraq -- 650,000 Jews against 40 million Arabs
Sounds like the Arabs want to dominate the entire region.
The Arabs do want to dominate. They hate the Jews and want to drive them into the sea. God's Promise to Abraham will be kept. The Jews are protected by a most holy God who always keeps his word.
Why else would the Jews be able to protect themselves with a ratio of 40 million Arabs against 650,000 Jews??
Cat: I am not sure on that statement; the Jews were treated by far better under Arab rule than they ever were, living in Europe.
Also WW! saw the end of the Ottoman Empire, the fiasco of the Balfour Resolution which has created much of the turmoil there today.
As for God's chosen people, well where does this put Christians? If you can only get to heaven through Jesus and Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God; then to me that is a contradiction.
And also to me I believe the 1947 creation of Israel was because the world was shocked and sympathized with the Jews because of WW!!.
Hard to believe that under the Ottomans, Christians, Jews and Muslims coexisted. Of course the Christians and Jews held a lesser status but they were not persecuted. The creation of the new Israel dates back to the British - see Balfour Resolution. However the British restricted migration into Palestine and opposed the creation of a seperate Jewish state. We took the reins after WWII and just as we will likely do in Iraq assisted in creating a problem that just won't go away. UN resolution 181 allowed the formation of a Jewish state and lifting of the migration restrictions. This was not as the US had originally intended. However Truman eventually recognized the state of Israel. There has been conflict ever since.
Actually UN resolution 181 was NEVER APPROVED by the Security Council and hence has no value. The fact is that the zionist state of israel has no legitimate legal claim on ANY land in palestine.
And Jordan does? Jordan was a land grab of 2/3 of Palestine, and the ruler which was placed on the throne was a foreigner from the Saudi Royal family. Jordan received it's full independence from Britian one year before Israel was established. Hyperbola, tell us all the difference between Jordan occupation and Israeli occupation and why Jordan has legitimacy. Oh, maybe it's because Jordan is Moslem. Silly me.
> ...the Jews were treated by far better under Arab rule than they ever were, living in Europe.
In this case, how would you explain the fact that during late 1940s and early 1950s about a Milion Jews left Arab states where they lived for centuries? As a matter of fact, in 2008 there are 95% LESS Jews in the Arab states than there were in 1948.
On the other hand, the number of Arabs in Israel where they, apparently, are treated horribly to say the least, is 900% (TEN TIMES!) higher than it was in 1948.
> And also to me I believe the 1947 creation of Israel was because the world was shocked and sympathized with the Jews because of WW!!.
Well, how would you explain creation of Bosnia, for example? What was the world shocked by in that case?
When facts contradict with your beliefs it's not the facts that should be corrected...
Then explain to me where all the Jews in Poland in 39 went when 45 came around, also look at European history, Crusades and centuries of harassment and persecution and such, this is what I was referring to
> Then explain to me where all the Jews in Poland in 39 went when 45 came around...
In 1945 there were 6 Million Jews less in Europe than there were in 1939. It's about 60% less Jews in Europe.
In the Arab states, however, there are 95% less Jews today than there were in 1948.
In Iran there are 80% less Jews than in 1978.
The numbers are hard to argue with, aren't they? If you ask me the Arabs and the Iranians succeeded much better in getting rid of their Jews than the Nazis did...
Now would you answer my question please? How would you explain creation of Bosnia, for example? What was the world shocked by in that case?
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/israeliarabs.html
"Arabs/Muslims in Israel represent 1.2 million out of a total population of 6.25 million. That is about 20%. These Muslims are the only Muslims in the middle east that have the right to free speech, the right to vote for the head of their government, and have the highest standard of living then Muslims in any other middle eastern country. Muslims in Israel enjoy more freedom of religion than Muslims in many other Muslim country (such as Iran and Saudi Arabia). The only difference in citizenship rights between Jewish and Arab citizens, is Arabs are not required to serve in the IDF when they turn 18, as Jews are. However many of them, especially the Druze and the Bedouin, choose to serve to protect their country."
Some of that info could be amended to include Iraqi Muslims, now.
Actually palestinians inside isreal are as fed up with their apartheid status as those in Gaza and the West Bank. And rightly so considering the racism they suffer from zionists.
Israel's Independence: Paramilitary Police attack Citizens
Do No Evil â;; In a sign of how far Israel still is from coming to terms with the circumstances of its birth, this year's Nakba march was forcibly broken up by the Israeli police. They clubbed unarmed demonstrators with batons and fired tear gas and stun grenades into crowds of families that included young children.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/05/16/...
Arab Israelis mark 'catastrophe' of Israel's creation
News Ã;¢;; Thousands of Arab Israelis rallied on Friday to commemorate the "Naqba," Arabic for the catastrophe which they say occurred when the state of Israel was created 60 years ago.
http://news.propeller.com/story/2008/05/10/arab...
Arab Israelis call for right of return
News â;; ARAB Israelis marched today for the right of return for refugees who fled their homes during the 1948 war that followed the creation of Israel as the Jewish state.
http://news.propeller.com/story/2008/05/09/arab...
Actually the zionists had to bomb and kill jews in other mideast countries to force them to move to israel.
THE JEWS OF IRAQ - TESTIMONY OF A FORMER ZIONIST
Naeim Giladi, an Iraqi Jew and a former Zionist is the author of "Ben Gurion's Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews". In his book, Ben Gurion's Scandals, Mr. Giladi discusses the crimes committed by Zionists in their frenzy to import raw Jewish labor.
The Giladis, now U.S. citizens, live in New York City. By choice, they no longer hold Israeli citizenship. "I am Iraqi," he told The Link, "born in Iraq, my culture still Iraqi Arabic, my religion Jewish, my citizenship American."
You are wrong Hannibal. The 1947 "creation" of israel was a unilateral act of ethnic cleansing that WAS NOT approved by the UN or any other international body. It was carried out by a zionist military force (plus terrorism) that the British had allowed to become larger and better armed than any of the surrounding arab militaries, which were systematically debilitated by the Brits to keep them from being able to demand independence from colonialism.
Holding Zionism To Account
Open Letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
... The problem with the "historical record" - I mean the first and still existing draft of Judeo-Christian history - is that it's mostly nonsense. Propaganda nonsense. Zionist propaganda nonsense. At its core are two myths.
One is that the Zionist state of Israel has lived in constant danger of annihilation, the "driving into the sea" of its Jews. The truth of history is that Israel's existence has never, ever, been in danger. Not in 19448/49. Not in 1956. Not in 1967. And not even in 1973. Zionism's assertion to the contrary was the cover which allowed Israel to get away where it mattered most, America and Western Europe, with presenting its aggression as self-defence and itself as the victim when it was, and is, the oppressor.
.. The other is Israel has not had a Palestinian partner for peace. The truth of history on this account is the ground for peace on the Palestinian side was prepared by Yasser Arafat as far back as 1979 â;; more than a quarter of a century ago. In that year, 1979, Arafat persuaded the Palestine National Council, the highest decision-making body on the Palestinian side, to back his policy of politics and (until then) unthinkable compromise with Israel..
..The problem was that Arafat did not have a partner for peace on the Israeli side - because Zionism was not, and is not, interested in peace on any terms the vast majority of Palestinians and other Arabs and most Muslims everywhere could accept.... Didn't Barak offer Arafat "95 percent" of everything he had said he wanted? No, he did not! That, too, is a propaganda lie...
You'd thing that Allah, (who supposedly created the entire universe just by saying "Be", would be a better aim with the rockets and missiles against a people, the Jews, that Allah seems to hate sooooo much compared to any other group of people on the planet. Either Allah is the worst shot in the universe, or, Adonai is better at being a protector of His Chosen. Since "affliction shall not rise a second time", as Naham 1:9 says, I'm thinking that means NO second holocaust. I don't know about you, but, I'm betting on the latter here. There has been a great track record of Adonai appeaing to being a better protector of Jews than a Jew- hating Allah with missiles and rockets, due to all those M.E. wars since 1947.
I mean, 39 Scuds landed in Tel Aviv in 1991 from Iraq, and, if you count a couple of heart attacks, NO one was killed from the explosions! Were many people killed in Tehran by Saddam's Scud attacks during the first ever Gulf War? One Scud killed over 20 US troops in Bahrain, that I know, so, they WERE deadly...except against those that Allah REALLY seems to hate.
The return of the Jews to Israel is the key to bible prophecy. Most other endtime prophecies depend on the Jewish people living in Israel and not scattered amongst the Gentiles. Israel has not existed as a nation since hundreds of years before the birth of Christ. Israel was established on May 15, 1948.
Deuteronomy 4:27-28,30-31 27The LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive and the nations to which God will drive you. 28But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find him if you search for him with all your heart and all your soul. 30When you are in distress and all these things have happened to you, then in latter days you will return to the LORD your God and obey him. 31For the LORD your God is a merciful God; he will not abandon or destroy you or forget the covenant (the land of Israel) with your forefathers, which he confirmed to them all.
Jeremiah 30:3 'For behold, days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will restore the fortunes of My people Israel and Judah.' The LORD says, 'I will also bring them back to the land that I gave to their forefathers and they shall possess it."
Isaiah 11:11 Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand The remnant of His people, who will remain, From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, And from the islands of the sea.
Joel 3:1-2 1"For behold, in those days and at that time, When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, 2I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel,
Amos 9:11 "In that day I will raise up the fallen booth of David, And wall up its breaches; I will also raise up its ruins And rebuild it as in the days of old;
Foresaw restoration of Israel in one day (May 15, 1948).
I remember when Israel was declared a free state. I was a child but I still remember how proud I was that my President, Harry S. Truman,recognized the Jewish state of Israel and made it possible for the Jews to have a home again. Heck, I'm still proud that the United States helped make Israel possible.
That America has allowed zionists in the US to hijack our country and support the ethnic cleansing of millions of christians and moslems in the name of zionist racism is one of the most shameful acts in our history. We would be better off to start supporting honest, moral israelis rather than the zionist fanatics in israel and the US.
The ethnic cleansing of Palestine
By Ilan Pappe
University of Haifa, Israel
The book shows that in 1948, the Zionist movement waged a war against the Palestinain people in order to implement its long term plans of ethnic cleansing. The Arab world tried to prevent this cleansing, but was too fragmented, self-centered and ineffective to stop the uprooting of half of Palestine's native population, the destruction of half of its villages and towns and the killing of thousands of its people.
And since that ethnic cleansing was successfully implemented in almost 80% of Palestine without any global or regional repercussions - the ethnic cleansing policy continues ever since 1967 in the remaining 20% of the country. Creating a Jewish state in historical Palestine cleansed of Palestinians is still the ideolgoical infrastructure on which the state of Israel is based. ...
The book uses the accepted scholarly definition of Ethnic Cleansing to show its academic as well legal applicability to the case of Palestine and argues that since in the eyes of the world - including the State Department and the UN - ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, this how we should view the Israeli actions in the past and ISrael's policies in the present....
The book .. uses new material from the Israeli military archives that was released in the late 1990s...
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/3041
Well wolfie, it is shameful that any american would support ethnic cleansing in the name of religious racism. It is even more shameful that we continue to support such ethnic cleansing. Sounds like you are a second-generation refugee from eastern european racism and totalitarianism that has still not learned about the basic principles of american democracy.
Palestine 2007: Genocide in Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing in the West Bank
by Ilan Pappe, University of Haifa, Israel
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/2275
Forced Migration Review
Department of International Development
University of Oxford
Palestinian displacement: a case apart?
.. The great majority of the seven million Palestinian refugees still live within 100km of the borders of Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip where their homes of origin are located. They are refugees because Israel â;; committed to a permanent Jewish majority and granting citizenship to any member of the Jewish diaspora â;; denies Palestinians their basic human right to return to their homes of origin. Palestinians are the world's largest refugee population, yet ..
I'll leave God to to theologians (of whatever belief they may hold) for me, Israel exists now, much in the same way that ANY country exists, by holding what you have, BUT their country was mandated by the UN, the surrounding Arab nations didn't like it much and have shown nothing but contempt for their "brothers" ever since......
Since then, there's been nothing but war and strife FROM the Arab side, despite ALL the aid and assistance from Israel (given to the Palestinians)....
How much does Egypt/Syria/Lebanon give ??????
Oh, sorry, appart from guns, rockets, ammo, sanctuary ???
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Israel's crime is not its policies but its insistence on living. On the day the Arabs -- and the Palestinians in particular -- make a collective decision to accept the Jewish state, there will be peace, as Israel proved with its treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Until that day, there will be nothing but war. And every "peace process," however cynical or well-meaning, will come to nothing.))
"...what the Arab narrative deliberately distorts is the cause of its own tragedy: the folly of its own fanatical leadership -- from Haj Amin al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem (Nazi collaborator, who spent World War II in Berlin), to Egypt's Gamal Abdel Nasser to Yasser Arafat to Hamas of today -- that repeatedly chose war rather than compromise and conciliation."
When Egypt's Sadat chose peace and diplomacy with Israel, the forerunners of today's Hamas and al Qaeda killed him for it.
And when Sadat chose peace, he came to Jerusalem and the peace has lasted 30 years. For those of you (a couple in particular) who don't understand this very simple historical fact, if you want peace, ask!!!! Israel was willing to have peace with Sadat and gave back the lands that it conquered in 1967 (Except Gaza which Egypt didn't want back). In contrast, Israel left Gaza entirely, pulled out it's settlers, just as Israel did with Egypt and it got rockets fired into Israeli cities from Gaza. It doesn't take a genius (exceptions noted) to see what is actually happening and where the blame falls. The facts are self evident and historically indisputable, unless anybody believes that Egypt never made peace and Israel and it's settlers never left Gaza, in which case the holocaust never happened either.
Buulll pucckkie. The zionist stae of israel has been guilty of ethnic cleansing in contravention of international law from the very beginning. We shouldn't forget that the UN NEVER APPROVED the partition of palestine and the zionists have no claim to ANY of palestine for a racist state.
Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews
... In my book and on public platforms I also take head-on the matter of Israel's right or not to exist.
According to first and still existing draft of history, Israel was given its birth certificate and thus legitimacy by the UN Partition Resolution of 29 November 1947. This is nonsense.
In the first place the UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.
Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal â;; meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council.
The truth is that the General Assembly's partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the US knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.
So the partition plan was vitiated, became invalid, and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine (after Britain had made a mess of it and walked away) was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the US was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what do that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence â;; actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community, including the Truman administration.
The truth of the time was that the Zionist state, which came into being mainly as a consequence of Zionism terrorism and ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist unless â;¦.. Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved. And that legitimacy was the only thing the Zionists could not take from the Palestinians by force....
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/articl...
Have you made that appointment with the psychiatrist yet, Hyperbola?
If he did, he'd probably use taqqiya to lie about it.