Religion – Where do the current candidates stand on a forgotten issue?
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states, regarding religion. "Congress shall make no law excepting religion or the free expression thereof."
Nothing about "separation of church and state".
Is that taken from the Constitution entirely made up by wolfie?
Cause...this is what the Constitution of the United States of America says...
" Congress shall make no law RESPECTING the ESTABLISHMENT of religion or prohibiting the free excercise thereof..."
And the Treaty of Tripoli went on to say...
"As the government of the United States of America is in NO sense founded upon the Christian religion..."
It was signed by President John Adams so I guess he agreed.
The Treaty of Tripoli was not ratified by 2/3 of the states but the 1st Amendment was. Sorry about your luck.
BS!
"I have recently been examining all known superstitions of the world.I find in our particular superstition,Christianity,not one redeeming feature.They are all alike ,founded on fable and mythology."
-Thomas Jefferson
"They,the Clergy,believe any portion of power confided in me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes.And they believe rightly,for I have sworn upon the alter of god eternal hostility against any form of tyanny over the mind of man"
-Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson was a very complex man
You have to read an extensive biography and not cherry pick quotes
You seem to have overlooked:
"The constitutional freedom of religion [is] the most inalienable and sacred of all human rights." --Thomas Jefferson: Virginia Board of Visitors Minutes, 1819. ME 19:416
"Among the most inestimable of our blessings, also, is that... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to John Thomas et al., 1807. ME 16:291
"In our early struggles for liberty, religious freedom could not fail to become a primary object." --Thomas Jefferson to Baltimore Baptists, 1808. ME 16:317
"One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the same sentence and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates either throws down the sanctuary which covers the others." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:382
Jefferson's Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in the
State of Virginia can be found here:
THUMBS UP! nostalgia, an excellent job of holding a Light to the TRUTH on this. The Separation LIE has been going on WAY to long!
I have no problem with religions making donations to political parties. However, if they can donate, we take away their tax exempt status, retroactively. They will have to pay taxes on the donations. Taxes on money given to the church would be taxed, not only the church pays, but people giving will be taxed as well. Maybe then this will remove the evil disease that is religion from this country.
Our forefathers knew the evil of religion, that is why there is a separation of church and state. Separation is a lie only in the minds of people who believe in fariytales.
"Our forefathers knew the evil of religion, that is why there is a separation of church and state."
Really???
I suggest you read some more history on the founding of this country before you make that pronouncement again
The founders did not want the government to ESTABLISH a national religion. Do you have any idea why that would have been a concern to them???
You are also aware that they did not object if a colony or later a state had a "state established" religion, aren't you??
My home state of RI was the last to sign on to the constitution...the condition was that it include a seperation of church and state.They were satisfied that the 1st amendment covered that seperation.
Roger Williams of Rhode Island and William Penn ensured the protection of religious minorities within their colonies from the beginning but others had established churches (Plymouth Colony and Massachusetts Bay Colony).
Didn't Roger Williams leave Massachusetts because of religious oppression? Isn't that why he founded RI on the principle of state neutrality in matters of faith?
He didn't want the state to dictate the religion you had to belong to
I'm always amused at the "selective" choices made when quotes from Jefferson are posted
I have read a number of Jefferson biographies and he was a very complex person. With every biography I have read there is some new information I didn't know before
He's a fascinating person
You might find this interesting
'A Wall of Separation'
FBI Helps Restore Jefferson's Obliterated Draft
You can read the letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, which contains the phrase "a wall of separation between church and state". In the draft of the letter, Jefferson crossed out some words. The Library of Congress asked the FBI to try and determine what worods were scratched out in the draft. They were successful and you can read the entire original text
The Library of Congress site also explains what was happening politically when the letter was written
http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danbury.html
As a retired Christian minister, I am totally opposed to any kind of government hand outs in the form of money for any reason. Government does not belong in the business of Church, in my opinion. Churches, also in my opinion, do not belong in the business of government. Faith based Government handouts is just another way for Government to control what and which religions get preferential treatment. It smacks of the same thing Russia does in its state supported religion. George's fascists roots are really exposed with his faith based initiatives. This tyrant will ruin America before he ever leaves office, again in my opinion. He has already done a damn good job of it.
Would the current candidates for Mr. Bush's job continue the federal government's legacy of mixing church and state? Would they keep, restructure or dissolve the Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives?
When asked this question by Christianity Today
To see the answers by the 3 candidates you can read the stiry here:
http://katestone.wordpress.com/
This is interesting:
Under its Minority Community Health Coalition Demonstration Grant Program for HIV/AIDS, HHS' Office of Minority Health has made grants to faith-based organizations participating in the Impacto Latino Coalition Project. This project addresses the need for effective prevention programming to change community norms and increase community support for behaviors known to reduce the risk of HIV infection among Latino New Yorkers. The Latino Commission on AIDS, VIP Community Services and five churches are joining together as a coalition to address HIV/AIDS in the Latino community.
Continued:
he grant program has also provided funds to the South Side HIV/AIDS Coalition in Chicago, a multi-agency group including Trinity United Church of Christ, Provident Hospital of Cook County and the Alliance for Community Empowerment, to provide culturally sensitive and responsive HIV/AIDS education and services to African-American
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2001pres/01fsfait...
Trinity United Church of Christ - seems like I've heard about this church before
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Well you know , religion is a hot topic . I say funding is good for all if it is not discriminatory . Everyone should get it . Yes , and what about the atheists . How would they apply since there is no religious affiliation , except denial . Should atheisim be considered a religion - the non-belief in a higher power ? How would that work ? Oh , and agnostics ? What do you all out there in cyber space think ?
I'm sure plenty of atheist-run charities receive all kinds of federal charity funds.
This is an interestingly fake story. In particular, the phony quote: "I am a religious man, therefore a moral man, and therefore you should elect me." Never said. Never uttered.
This "story" is pure bullsh1t.
Thank you for denyin reality ... and history.
We Christian Conservatives thank you.
The BIG contributors are un-religious.
The BIG contributors are only looking for a payback after the election.
When a religious group makes it to the status of the contributions of the BIG ontributors, they too can get their payback.
Note how well the White-Hous... office has been well funded under Mr. Bush, even though they burn money with no demonstrable benefit to the public.