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BoxMonkey3 months, 3 weeks ago

Well you know , religion is a hot topic . I say funding is good for all if it is not discriminatory . Everyone should get it . Yes , and what about the atheists . How would they apply since there is no religious affiliation , except denial . Should atheisim be considered a religion - the non-belief in a higher power ? How would that work ? Oh , and agnostics ? What do you all out there in cyber space think ?
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  libsRfunny3 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  I'm sure plenty of atheist-run charities receive all kinds of federal charity funds.
  This is an interestingly fake story. In particular, the phony quote: "I am a religious man, therefore a moral man, and therefore you should elect me." Never said. Never uttered.
  This "story" is pure bullsh1t.
  
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    Goppy3 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    Thank you for denyin reality ... and history.
    We Christian Conservatives thank you.
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  quackpot3 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  The BIG contributors are un-religious.
  The BIG contributors are only looking for a payback after the election.
  When a religious group makes it to the status of the contributions of the BIG ontributors, they too can get their payback.
  Note how well the White-Hous... office has been well funded under Mr. Bush, even though they burn money with no demonstrable benefit to the public.
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Wolfie20073 months, 3 weeks ago

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states, regarding religion. "Congress shall make no law excepting religion or the free expression thereof."
Nothing about "separation of church and state".
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  mntnman4443 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  Is that taken from the Constitution entirely made up by wolfie?
  Cause...this is what the Constitution of the United States of America says...
  " Congress shall make no law RESPECTING the ESTABLISHMENT of religion or prohibiting the free excercise thereof..."
  And the Treaty of Tripoli went on to say...
  "As the government of the United States of America is in NO sense founded upon the Christian religion..."
  It was signed by President John Adams so I guess he agreed.
  http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/sec...
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    djrevelky3 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    The Treaty of Tripoli was not ratified by 2/3 of the states but the 1st Amendment was. Sorry about your luck.
    
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      mntnman4443 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      BS!
      "I have recently been examining all known superstitions of the world.I find in our particular superstition,Christianity,not one redeeming feature.They are all alike ,founded on fable and mythology."
      -Thomas Jefferson
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        mntnman4443 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        "They,the Clergy,believe any portion of power confided in me will be exerted in opposition to their schemes.And they believe rightly,for I have sworn upon the alter of god eternal hostility against any form of tyanny over the mind of man"
        -Thomas Jefferson
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/745447/p...
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        nostalgia3 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Jefferson was a very complex man
        You have to read an extensive biography and not cherry pick quotes
        You seem to have overlooked:
        "The constitutional freedom of religion [is] the most inalienable and sacred of all human rights." --Thomas Jefferson: Virginia Board of Visitors Minutes, 1819. ME 19:416
        "Among the most inestimable of our blessings, also, is that... of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to John Thomas et al., 1807. ME 16:291
        "In our early struggles for liberty, religious freedom could not fail to become a primary object." --Thomas Jefferson to Baltimore Baptists, 1808. ME 16:317
        
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        nostalgia3 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        "One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the same sentence and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates either throws down the sanctuary which covers the others." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. ME 17:382
        Jefferson's Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in the
        State of Virginia can be found here:
        http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7842/rfindex.htm
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        mivan43 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        THUMBS UP! nostalgia, an excellent job of holding a Light to the TRUTH on this. The Separation LIE has been going on WAY to long!
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        toph19733 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I have no problem with religions making donations to political parties. However, if they can donate, we take away their tax exempt status, retroactively. They will have to pay taxes on the donations. Taxes on money given to the church would be taxed, not only the church pays, but people giving will be taxed as well. Maybe then this will remove the evil disease that is religion from this country.
        Our forefathers knew the evil of religion, that is why there is a separation of church and state. Separation is a lie only in the minds of people who believe in fariytales.
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        nostalgia3 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        "Our forefathers knew the evil of religion, that is why there is a separation of church and state."
        Really???
        I suggest you read some more history on the founding of this country before you make that pronouncement again
        The founders did not want the government to ESTABLISH a national religion. Do you have any idea why that would have been a concern to them???
        You are also aware that they did not object if a colony or later a state had a "state established" religion, aren't you??
        
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        mntnman4443 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        My home state of RI was the last to sign on to the constitution...the condition was that it include a seperation of church and state.They were satisfied that the 1st amendment covered that seperation.
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        nostalgia3 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Roger Williams of Rhode Island and William Penn ensured the protection of religious minorities within their colonies from the beginning but others had established churches (Plymouth Colony and Massachusetts Bay Colony).
        Didn't Roger Williams leave Massachusetts because of religious oppression? Isn't that why he founded RI on the principle of state neutrality in matters of faith?
        He didn't want the state to dictate the religion you had to belong to
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        mntnman4443 months, 2 weeks ago
        
        Exactly...SEPERATION of church and state.
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        nostalgia3 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I'm always amused at the "selective" choices made when quotes from Jefferson are posted
        I have read a number of Jefferson biographies and he was a very complex person. With every biography I have read there is some new information I didn't know before
        He's a fascinating person
        You might find this interesting
        'A Wall of Separation'
        FBI Helps Restore Jefferson's Obliterated Draft
        You can read the letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, which contains the phrase "a wall of separation between church and state". In the draft of the letter, Jefferson crossed out some words. The Library of Congress asked the FBI to try and determine what worods were scratched out in the draft. They were successful and you can read the entire original text
        The Library of Congress site also explains what was happening politically when the letter was written
        http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danbury.html
        
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        BoxMonkey3 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Thank You Nostalgia . Your efforts show through . Thank you .
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    Wolfie20073 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    What has the Treaty of Tripoli got to do with the separation of church and state? Nothing and it has nothing to do with the Constitution or the First Amendment.
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      mntnman4443 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      The constitution had already been ratified and the second president agreed that the US is not based on the christian religion...I assume he had read the constitution before signing the treaty and yet didn't see what you see...that we are a christian nation...we're not.
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  Wolfie20073 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  I was flying blind as I was using my memory but it's the same thing, mntnman44. Thanks for all your help. Still no mention of separation of church and state now is there?
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    mntnman4443 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    If you can't see in the constitution that the govt will not favor one religion over another, there is no help for you.
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Endoscopy3 months, 3 weeks ago

This is funny. It has to be humor. I looked at the top of the page and it said "Rocket scientist financial tips".
Who in their right mind would go to a Rocket scientist for financial information. I guess the same people that would let financiers build rockets.
ROTFLMAO
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    DaneL3 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    Always have to bring up Clinton don't you.
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ETproductions3 months, 3 weeks ago

If we can keep No Child Left Behind in place a bit longer, we can shut down public education altogether and outsource all education to the Government's preferred churches -- that would be ones that turn out reliable voters for the ruling party. Theocracy, here we come.
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  nostalgia3 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  Ted Kennedy is NOT going to like you dissing his No Child Left Behind legislation
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    ETproductions3 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    Dateline Boston, Pleasing Ted Kennedy has never been all that high on my list of priorities.
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ML20073 months, 3 weeks ago

As a retired Christian minister, I am totally opposed to any kind of government hand outs in the form of money for any reason. Government does not belong in the business of Church, in my opinion. Churches, also in my opinion, do not belong in the business of government. Faith based Government handouts is just another way for Government to control what and which religions get preferential treatment. It smacks of the same thing Russia does in its state supported religion. George's fascists roots are really exposed with his faith based initiatives. This tyrant will ruin America before he ever leaves office, again in my opinion. He has already done a damn good job of it.
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nostalgia3 months, 3 weeks ago

Would the current candidates for Mr. Bush's job continue the federal government's legacy of mixing church and state? Would they keep, restructure or dissolve the Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives?
When asked this question by Christianity Today
To see the answers by the 3 candidates you can read the stiry here:
http://katestone.wordpress.com/
This is interesting:
Under its Minority Community Health Coalition Demonstration Grant Program for HIV/AIDS, HHS' Office of Minority Health has made grants to faith-based organizations participating in the Impacto Latino Coalition Project. This project addresses the need for effective prevention programming to change community norms and increase community support for behaviors known to reduce the risk of HIV infection among Latino New Yorkers. The Latino Commission on AIDS, VIP Community Services and five churches are joining together as a coalition to address HIV/AIDS in the Latino community.
Continued:

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  nostalgia3 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  he grant program has also provided funds to the South Side HIV/AIDS Coalition in Chicago, a multi-agency group including Trinity United Church of Christ, Provident Hospital of Cook County and the Alliance for Community Empowerment, to provide culturally sensitive and responsive HIV/AIDS education and services to African-American
  http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2001pres/01fsfait...
  Trinity United Church of Christ - seems like I've heard about this church before
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richardgale3 months, 3 weeks ago

Religion - the biggest business in the world =) Believe it, fools
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quackpot3 months, 3 weeks ago

Religion:
Cost of product = zero
Return on investment = infinite.
Harm to society = majority of all death and torture.
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  Dionys3 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  Garbage.
  Harm to society is humanity's failing, not solely religion's. All one has to do is look to Maoist China, a decidedly atheist and anti-religious movement responsible for millions upon millions of deaths.
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Cybnetic3 months, 3 weeks ago

religion needs to stay OUT of everything!
government is worse off now with power controlling politicians.
religion is a disease
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Poulenc3 months, 3 weeks ago

Time out for a moment to consider the single comment apparently left by Luvmyprez, late of Propeller, see the, er, bottom (this pun will become clear) of the article.
Several questions arise:
Did she ACTUALLY post it?
Is, as I've long suspected, Alpha G. Luv with a new nom de post?
All replies considered.
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amazed3 months, 3 weeks ago

you know that that was NOT our luv...(I wonder if she's seen it)
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vidman043 months, 3 weeks ago

No, she didn't, and you know it...not her style...
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