Roman Catholic Church Admits Aiding Nazis in WW2 »
Posted By Neophile 6 months ago in NewsGermany's Roman Catholic Church has acknowledged the extent of its involvement in the use of forced labour during World War II.
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Spadecaller6 months ago
I've been claiming this to be the case for years, but some people become angry-- and then some even get outraged because it is a Jew daring to voice this information openly.
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Bkumm6 months ago
Your Jewishness (is that even a word?) is only secondary. It's the mere fact that anyone (especially a Jew, that's where it comes in) would dare to say that THE major Christian faith was complicit in the Holocaust.
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Spadecaller6 months ago
Yes, that was my point.
However, I would be negligent not to mention that there were priests of the Roman Catholic Church that objected to any form of cooperation with the Nazis... and in fact, some of them took it upon themselves to help Jews hide and escape. To asssume that all Catholics supported Hitler and the Nazi regime would be a mistake.
I think we must be careful not to indict an entire religion for the crimes of others. All peoples, religions, nationalities, and groups have both their worst examples of humanity as well as the noblest.
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Natureboy6 months ago
Wouldn't be the first time that THE major christian faith engaged in mass extermination. Crusades? Spanish Inquisition? Witch burnings? Participating in the holocaust was just more of that ole time religion.
In fact, Naziism was SO popular among German christians of every stripe that it largely did away from denominational separation for a time. The church only turned from Naziism when it came to a showdown as to whether Church or State would be the preeminent power.
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libsRfunny6 months ago
"I've been claiming this to be the case for years, but some people become angry-- and then some even get outraged because it is a Jew daring to voice this information openly."
There were a couple Catholic Bishops who were particularly helpful in aiding Nazis wanted for war crimes to escape Europe for South America and the Middle East. I saw a documentary on it recently, and it noted how many former Nazis had Vatican-issued passports. Being it's own sovereign state, the Vatican has that kind of authority.
http://www12.georgetown.edu/students/ner9/churc...
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lvrofwolves6 months ago
Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church, and the church never left him. Great literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mien Kampf never appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books.
He was not excommunicated or even condemned by his church. Popes, in fact, contracted with Hitler and his fascist friends Franco and Mussolini, giving them veto power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. The three thugs agreed to surtax the Catholics of their countries and send the money to Rome in exchange for making sure the state could control the church.
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lvrofwolves6 months ago
Many probably went on until the end thinking they were justified in what they were doing.
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hyperbola6 months ago
Catholics were divided, but the majority strongly resisted Hitler.
...THE CATHOLIC REACTION
Immediately after these elections, in which the National Socialist Party had emerged as a major force, the bishop of Mainz excommunicated all Catholic members of the party in his diocese, and banned uniformed groups entering churches ((KG 12 and A R 166)). He also gave instructions that party members would not be allowed to take an official part in funerals and other services ((RD 8, 9 and 12)). The other bishops decided to await the annual bishops' Conferences, so as to be able to formulate a united policy. In Rome the Osservatore Romano of October 11th 1930 commented: "Belonging to the National Socialist Party of Hitler is irreconcilable with the Catholic Conscience." ...
http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/r...
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lvrofwolves6 months ago
Bkumm-I agree, and think of Hitler not only as a vile monster to many peoples, Jewish, homosexuals, gypsies you name it, but also as the ultimate betrayer of the German people. As for the part the Catholic churches played in it all, they must also bare their responsibility, it's only right.
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david_nwpa6 months ago
Complete disclosure has been long overdue. The Catholic Church knows a thing or two about torture and has perfected it over the centuries. It is time the Church comes clean about all its tawdry sins. The Nazis had been in bed with the Catholic Church in part because of Austria, but I am not surprised by this news at all. I agree with Spadecaller; some priests did not cooperate with the Nazis and paid dearly for that. Others were complicit. It is the Church in Rome that irks me.
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HannibalBarca6 months ago
This is common knowledge, many a Nazi escaped using RC connections after the war.
One must remember that the church of Rome is self serving, it protects itself as it has become a giant bureaucratic organization.
Yes there are many who still try to preach what the Good Lord willed but all in all the church will close ranks and protect its power just like any other giant organization.
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hyperbola6 months ago
True enough, but characteristic of protestant chruches too. Frankly some protestant churches in the US are now on pretty much the same path as german protestant churches were in the Nazi years.
Germany's search for home truths continues, 75 years on
.. Remembering victims is only part of the story. What about remembering the guilty? Why did the backbone of the country's middle class accept dictatorship so readily? How did Germany's doctors, lawyers, diplomats and civil servants behave? Why haven't the professions yet opened their archives and done detailed research on how their leaders and members went along with Hitler's repression? Above all, what happened to the conscience of the Lutherans, Germany's largest church?
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hyperbola6 months ago
So the last pages of Germany's past have not yet been revealed. But now that the individuals themselves have all died, it ought to be easier to research the truth. That is why I found the exhibition in Schwerin so fascinating. It was the first officially sanctioned attempt by the Lutherans - as yet confined to Hamburg and Mecklenburg among the German Länder - to name names. "In 1998 the evangelical church in the northern Elbe region made a general declaration of guilt. We had to start researching what we and the Lutherans of Mecklenburg were guilty of," as Johann Peter Wurm, Schwerin's church archivist, told me.
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lvrofwolves6 months ago
HannibalBarca- 'One must remember that the church of Rome is self serving, it protects itself as it has become a giant bureaucratic organization.
Yes there are many who still try to preach what the Good Lord willed but all in all the church will close ranks and protect its power just like any other giant organization.'
just as they tried to protect the preists who were pedophiles.
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oldgringo6 months ago
Wow, Neo, two anti-Catholic stories on the front page at the same time! You're nailing those papists to the wall today, buddy! Way to go!
Ya know, I expect Goppy is going to turn up here at any minute, condemn you and compare you to the Reverend Hagee and McCain for bashing Catholics. But don't let that bother you, brother. You and I know the truth. You're working for the greater good, and damn the hypocrisy.
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ThackerAgency6 months ago
Agreed, history is not anti-anything. Catholics are the most sensitive group in America next to the African Americans. Catholics always find something to be offended about. I wish they would be happy that they are saved and hope everyone else gets saved too. Instead, they always look for different things that might be offensive to them. I guess it is to outwardly show how Christian they are. The more outraged they are must mean that they are more Christian.
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Idamilli6 months ago
Well, they didn't call Pius XII "Hitler's Pope" for nothing, did they? I'm very surprised that the RC church admitted to any wrongdoing (they think they're perfect...what a joke.)
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CharlieChapman6 months ago
A 700-page report says 1,000 prisoners of war and some 5,000 civilians were forced to work for the Nazis in support of the German war effort.
Charlie http://www.southafrica365.com
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RothWelt6 months ago
Euorpe ,for the Nazi,was like a countries with AIDS as well as America, for the Zionists, is like a country with AIDS it has no immune system or resistance.
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nashief6 months ago
Today there are as many as five million Catholics - or 10 per cent of the population - but of these only about one million attend church regularly.
Nashief http://www.safarinow.com
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hyperbola6 months ago
The interesting thing is that german catholics voted against Hitler, who got into power on the back of the german protestant churches.
Now what we need is for the rest of Hitler's collaborators to admit their collaboration.
51 Documents:
Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
... Zionism convicts itself. On June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation sent a secret memorandum to the Nazis:
"Zionism believes that a rebirth of national life, such as is occurring in German life through adhesion to Christian and national values, must also take place in the Jewish national group. For the Jew, too, origin, religion, community of fate and group consciousness must be of decisive significance in the shaping of his life. This means that the egotistic individualism which arose in the liberal era must be overcome by public spiritedness and by willingness to accept responsibility."
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hyperbola6 months ago
... Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler. By 1940-41, the "Stern Gang," among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the "Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany."
Avraham Stern and his followers announced that
"The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion:
1. Common interests could exist between establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,
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hyperbola6 months ago
3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.
... Jews and other Americans still know little of Zionism's sordid past. But today only programed fanatics can come away pro-Zionist after reading plain facts...
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
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ThackerAgency6 months ago
I never thought this issue was in question. Hitler never could have gotten to power without the Catholic Church. I don't imagine this to be news, but I guess if the Catholic Church feels a need for a confessional, this is as good a time as any. Even today the Catholic Church is the most critical entity of Israel than any other non-Muslim entity.
My surprise is that this is considered news.
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hyperbola6 months ago
Well that is what the zionists try to tell us anyway. The truth is much more complicated.
The Rise of the Nazis and Communists
...In terms of voting, the problem of the Weimar Republic was that the most radical parties in the socialist and the Protestant-bourgeois camp reduced or wiped out more moderate, democratic parties. The Nazis conquered most of the Protestant-bourgeois camp and made inroads into the socialist and Catholic camps, although the two latter proved more resistant to them than the first...
http://www.colby.edu/personal/r/rmscheck/German...
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hyperbola6 months ago
While Protestants gave 100 percent vote to Hitler, Catholics just said no
An article in German detailing the story of two towns. One was the pride of Adolf Hitler. The other was Catholic.
... Anyone who reads the book from Schwarzmüller, recognizes the sensitivity of the matter. Meticulously the author details the many ways, almost exclusively, the strict Catholic workers and citizenship were the last bulwark against the Nazi fanaticism. And how, on the other hand, the Protestant neighbours provde to be so vulnerable to the radicalism . Historians have long recognized this as a continuous trend for the whole of Germany. Nothing however makes it so palpable, as Schwarzmüller's approach, breaking down the details of the difference in two neighboring communities....
http://www.trawlr.com/items/3148516
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avoth6 months ago
"but I guess if the Catholic Church feels a need for a confessional,"
Unless I misread the article, it was the Catholic and the Protestant Churches in Germany. The question is, why would they feel the need for a confessional?
My experience, and I admit to being cynical, is that people/organizations rarely come out with anything that does not rebound to their benefit. Genuine mea culpa's are rare.
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Dionys6 months ago
"Hitler never could have gotten to power without the Catholic Church"
Actually Hitler wouldn't have gotten into power if not for the way the allies treated Germany in WWI. The reason such a fascist nationalist could rise to power was because of the way Germany was treated after WWI and because the Germans not only felt powerless (not to mention hungry) but because their entire sense of being and value in the world had been devalued by everyone else.
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avoth6 months ago
I don't see this as particularly positive. The admission is limited to the use of forced labor by both the Catholic and Protestant churches in Germany. OK, so? What positive changes will come out of this?
One thing I would expect a string of lawsuits by "Jewish" organizations who will take advantage of this admission to press their claim for "reparations" while giving a pittance (if anything) to those who survived the forced labor or the heirs of those who died because of it. I don't consider that positive.
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hyperbola6 months ago
Agreed. I bet those "workers" were awfully glad to be working in church organizations (both protestant and catholic) than in the alternatives.
As for zionist claims, it is time for christians and moslems to start demanding retribution for zionist crimes against humanity in palestine.
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