Obama Pastor Now Slurs Italians »
Posted By bobo-in-texas 6 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsRev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor emeritus of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been a member for two decades, slurred Italians in a piece published in the most recent issue of Trumpet Newsmagazine.
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bobo-in-texas6 months, 3 weeks ago
Another great example of the post-racial society that awaits us in Obama's America.
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saintetienne6 months, 3 weeks ago
AMEN, NoSpin! AMEN and HALLELUJAH to 'DAT! LORDY LORDY AIN'T 'DAT DA TRUTH!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I've had my bowl of popcorn and a front row seat for four weeks now. But the best is yet to come! Wait until the Democratic Convention in August.... they STILL won't have picked a candidate (these are Democrats, after all.... accomplishing things is not one of their strong suits), which is going to make them all hotter than a PISTOL! They'll resort to the usual Democrat tactics - riots, firebombs, shootings, protests, in-fighting.... all while we cheer and jeer and throw popcorn at our screens, laughing all the way!
Then the final denouement - - the moment we've ALL been waiting for.... after they LOSE the White House in November, we watch the rapid disintegration of the Democratic Party, as they splinter off into factions of super-liberal, semi-liberal, sorta-liberal, green-liberal, do-nothing welfare liberal and god knows what all.
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bobo-in-texas6 months, 3 weeks ago
It's time to start a list of Wright Wing Democrats for bigotry and racism with Aidenag at the top. How many more apologists for hate speech are out there?
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GWHayduke6 months, 3 weeks ago
-"How many more apologists for hate speech are out there?"-
I suppose you mean 'hate speech approved by Boobo', since you're the most prevalent provider of hate on this site.
Sure BOoobo approves of his hate toward all things Islam and the 'Religion of Peace'.
Booboo's the Absolute Supreme KING of hate and intolerance.
If'n you dont fit within his ultra narrow view of whats acceptable, well, you're just downright racist, unAmerican and a terra-ist.
Whats so scary Boobo?
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NoWayMan6 months, 3 weeks ago
slate:
go check rasmussen. they do a daily poll.
today Obama and Hillary are tied.
one month ago, before this Wright stuff, Obama was ahead by 2 points.
the margin of error in the sampling is plus or minus 4%.
which means they've been tied the entire time. before, during and after.
BOOYAH!!
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nostalgia6 months, 3 weeks ago
You are looking at National numbers
Look at the PA polls
Real Clear Politics:
"Just how bad is documented by some key findings from a series of recent polls. Almost none of the results bode well for Obama. Clinton is winning and winning big. She has decisively stopped Obama's earlier momentum in PA."
"Obama has actually slipped slightly with blacks and more substantially with young voters--2 demographics that are critical for him in the contest. He has lost support with other key constituencies - white males and evangelicals."
"Equally important in understanding Obama's problems is the week or so of rough patch he endured during the controversy over his pastor. That period probably produced a greater increase in his polling "negatives" than any other in the campaign. From just mid-February to mid-March, he sustained a 10 point decline in his favorable ratings according to the Franklin & Marshall College Poll."
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
SLATE:
"so he had to lose 2%? No matter how you try and spin it with the error factor. If he were now up by 4%, you would have said see, he's up by 4%, not he's tied due to the 4% error factor."
The words of someone who obviously doesn't understand fundamental statistical principles. FYI, Rasmussen is not the only poll who discovered Wright had no substantive effect on Obama's numbers. The conservative Wall Street Journal arrived at the same conclusion.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120657171729866...
"The racially charged debate over Obama's relationship with Wright hasn't much changed his close contest against Hillary Clinton, or hurt him against John McCain, a Wall Street Journal poll shows. While Sen. Clinton still leads among white Democrats, her edge shrank to 8 points (49% to 41%) from 12 points in early March (51% to 39%). Sen. Obama still edges Sen. McCain 44% to 42%. That is nearly the same result as in the early March poll."
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crespi6 months, 3 weeks ago
Ultra-Conservatives-
Remember that incident in Redhook where the black guy's car broke down and he was trying to fix his tire and hate-filled Italians came out and beat him to death for no reason other than hate?
I bet the black community does.
It happened more than once.
If it happened to you or yours we would NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT. We would be hearing anti-Italian rhetoric from you for a hundred years.
So let the black community get some if this off their chest, and heal. And TAKE THE LUMPS YOU DESERVE LIKE A MAN AND QUIT WHINING!
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
I don't think BOBO and SAINTETIENNE realize that Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright has NOT hurt his numbers. They keep repeating this nonstory as if they think it will help their cause, but if they had paid attention to the data--which they have yet to do--they would have known how futile their efforts are. LOL.
From the CONSERVATIVE Wall Street Journal:
"The racially charged debate over Obama's relationship with Wright hasn't much changed his close contest against Hillary Clinton, or hurt him against John McCain, a Wall Street Journal poll shows.
While Sen. Clinton still leads among white Democrats, her edge shrank to 8 points (49% to 41%) from 12 points in early March (51% to 39%). Sen. Obama still edges Sen. McCain 44% to 42%. That is nearly the same result as in the early March poll.
Among all voters, Obama maintained a significant positive-to-negative score of 49% to 32%รข;;similar to Sen. McCain's 45% to 25%."
They're wasting their time.
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bobo-in-texas6 months, 3 weeks ago
The above are the Three Musketeers of apologists for racism and hate speech. Your pathetic attempts to try and deflect from the topic are both sad and flaccid.
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doggammit6 months, 3 weeks ago
Flaccid? A Freudian slip, no doubt... Racist? I guess it;s all a matter of perspective. For instance, Onionhead has so many white bread paisanos all rolled up in one big lump of dough and it looks like he's about to convene a meeting of the Pasta Party. If his aim is "to serve man" - as a dog, I have to go along with that. But I need a little red meat in my diet too and you look like a tasty meatball to me, Bobo. Ummmm,,, yummmm...
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tkyrchncs6 months, 3 weeks ago
Just your ass is Italian? You maybe have another ass that is Swedish, or something? The ancient Romans were clear about the matter, you were a Roman or a barbarian. They were reluctant to count Italians as Romans. Forget these Asiatic inferiors in Palestine or the Nubians and Ethiopians. And the European Celts and Germanic people? Horrors!
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
BOBO:
"The above are the Three Musketeers of apologists for racism and hate speech."
LOL. These are strong words coming from a neocon who defends the bigotry of:
1) Pat Robertson, who regularly spouts homophobic diatribes, endorsed Giuliani.
2) Jerry Falwell, who called 9/11 an act of divine punishment on homosexuals, endorsed Huckabee.
3) Ann Coulter, whose regular homophobic, bigoted, and antisemitic comments have made her a CELEBRITY on Fox News, defends and endorses Bush.
4) George Allen, who called Indian journalist S.R. Sidarth "macaca."
5) Mitt Romney and Tony Snow who uttered the racially-charged term "tar baby."
6) Bob Jones III, who banned interracial dating at his school and calls Catholicism a "cult," endorsed Romney.
You criticize Obama for being racist against white America, conveniently ignoring the fact that Obama is half-white himself, while giving a free pass to bigoted Republicans. Spare me your false outrage.
Pathetic.
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
While Wright's WORDS are incendiary and I by no means condone him, Jeremiah Wright's ACTIONS are unassailable. Wright has done more service for his country--both through his military career and through his ministry--than you could ever hope to accomplish in your lifetime. Tell us all again BOBO--when are YOU planning to deploy to Iraq to fight in the war you allow other people to fight for you?
What's laughable is that while you condemn Obama (who has NEVER been under investigation for corruption and who has NEVER uttered a racist remark), you give a free pass to McCain who HAS been investigated for corruption (Keating 5) and HAS uttered racist remarks. Where's your righteous outrage now?
http://www.commondreams.org/views/030200-104.htm
"McCain told reporters, 'I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.'"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259282,00.html
"McCain used the term 'tar baby.' He said he hoped it wouldn't be viewed as a racial remark."
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
JERRY FALLWELL:
http://www.actupny.org/YELL/falwell.html
"FALWELL: I believe that pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays, lesbians, the ACLU, and People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped 9/11 happen.
ROBERTSON: I totally concur."
PAT ROBERTSON:
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/08/0080695
"The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson
"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals; the two things seem to go together."
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist"
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
MORE PAT ROBERTSON:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200706270005
"If [Chavez] thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."
ANN COULTER:
http://hughesforamerica.typepad.com/hughes_for_...
"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee."
http://www.newsbusters.org/node/13791
"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.'"
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N13/col13veena.13c...
"GW Bush appeared at Bob Jones University, a non-accredited college known for being racist and anti-Catholic. Bob Jones University has had an official ban on interracial dating for many years. Its justification: 'We stand against the one-world government, against the coming world of anti-Christ, which is a one world system of blending of all differences, of blending of national differences, economic differences, church differences, into a big one ecumenical world.' BJU says it would prefer to keep the races separate."
Your oversimplistic, reductivist approach of "I'll take Falwell over Wright/Farrakhan" not only reveals your partisan double standard, it traps you into embracing Falwell's ideology. I, however, choose NOT to be limited by your false dichotomy and choose to reject the incendiary language of BOTH groups, while recognizing the tremendous amount of good deeds Wright has done for his community.
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
Here is your Mike Huckabee DEFENDING Wright and Obama.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...
"'[Y]ou can't hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do,' Huckabee says. 'Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Rev. Wright got caught up in the emotion of the moment. As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say "That's a terrible statement!" I grew up in a very segregated South. And I think that you have to cut him some slack.'
Huckabee, who grew up in the segregated South, added that if he had experienced the kind of discrimination African Americans have in American history, he would probably have become bitter.
'Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment,' he said. 'And you have to just say, I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.'"
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tanglang6 months, 2 weeks ago
Hey! Careful with that spelling Slate! Or else this DAWG will bite! ; )
http://www.bk.psu.edu/faculty/ramsey/uga2.jpg
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ybdogsct6 months, 3 weeks ago
I find it amusing that in the face of overwhelming evidence and documentation, you would dare to respond without ANY counter-evidence of your own to support your incoherent ramblings.
Of course, facts were never your strong suit. Tell us again, BOBO, when are you scheduled to deploy to Iraq and serve in the military as Jeremiah Wright has? It's laughable that such a cowardly chickenhawk would dare question Wright's service to his fellow Americans, of all ethnicities and color.
Wright's words may be regrettable, but his actions speak far louder than his words; and Jeremiah Wright has done far more good for his country, through his service in the military and in his ministry, than you could hope to accomplish in your lifetime.
Pathetic.
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ybdogsct6 months, 2 weeks ago
WOLFIE:
"Wright might not have hurt Obama in democrat polls but check the national polls. Seems Saran Wrap Barry has lost a lot when compared to McLame."
You might want to take your own advice.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Obama: 45% McCain: 44.3%
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memestryker6 months, 2 weeks ago
I really don't care about the polls. What amazes me is that Obama sat there and listened to that for most of his adult life and didn't see any problem with it. My minister is black, and he sure as heck doesn't endlessly spew bigotry.
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Klarissa6 months, 3 weeks ago
This is not promoting unity and tolerance.
"(Jesus') enemies had their opinion about Him," Wright wrote in a eulogy of the late scholar Asa Hilliard in the November/December 2007 issue. "The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."
Wright continued, "From the circumstances surrounding Jesus' birth (in a barn in a township that was under the Apartheid Roman government that said his daddy had to be in), up to and including the circumstances surrounding Jesus' death on a cross, a Roman cross, public lynching Italian style. ...
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doggammit6 months, 3 weeks ago
Some people think it was actually a Tau cross. That 's very Egyptian. Some people also believe that the crucifixion was allegorical rather than an historical event. That's also very Egyptian - truthful and sublime IMHO. The eschatological approach - that 's very Roman, and quite typical of the way the Romans misrepresented everyone else's manna. Rev. Wright is correct in the way he singles out Rome's culpability in what has evolved into an ultra materialistic, pragmatic, utilitarian and politically warped approach to what was, is and shall remain a "great mystery". Who are the modern day inheritor's of Rome's politicized religious doctrines? Ahhh That would be "telling", wouldn't it? Yes - verrrrry telling...
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crespi6 months, 3 weeks ago
It's all cracking out from under you BoBo.
Keep doing the bidding of The Decider and the Unitary Executive.
However, they don't give a hoot about you or your family, so don't con yourself into thinking you are doing anything other than trying to destabilize American law for THEIR benefit.
Dude, you are like a test case of blind obedience, like Pavlov's dogs.
You should put yourself in a jar on a shelf in the Smithsonian so future generations can see what a Neocon dupe and enabler looked like.
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memestryker6 months, 2 weeks ago
Rev. Wright himself is a "modern day inheritor...of Rome's politicized religious doctrines..."
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cushi6 months, 3 weeks ago
Neither are you when you revile and condemn Barack Obama without cause.
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bobo-in-texas6 months, 3 weeks ago
LOL!! The man who supports the execution of gays calls me a hater.
Spoken like a true Wright Winger.
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bobo-in-texas6 months, 3 weeks ago
Not really. You were just the first Wright Wing defender of hate to show up.
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
NoSpinDave ~
FTA:
"The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."
Oh yeah, I find that remark totally unnecessary and offensive
BUT - the media that presented this article is the TRAIN WRECK
when they seek opinions on morals and ethics from a dirt
bag like Ralph Reed! That would be Ralph Reed, FORMERLY of
the Christian Coalition AND the Abramoff scandal.
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Lurch6 months, 2 weeks ago
>nothing better than watching a liberal train wreck in progress!!
especially when its McCain`s:
http://dev.artvoice.com/blogs/2008/03/27/revere...
lmao!
Obama runs away from a hate-mongering pastor, McCain runs to one. Who`s the engineer of the train wreck?
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Silverghost6 months, 3 weeks ago
BoBo: This so-called pastor is like a pied piper leading his flock over the brink. Obama may be the recipient of the disaster awaiting below.
What a needless weight, but he chose that sometime back! The best thing for Obama to say, ethically, is that he is severing ties with this erring leader. However, that may cause great repercussions in the African American vote. A catch 22, but "a prudent man foreseeth the evil (calamity) and hideth himself." He didn't!
Jesus had said, "Beware of false prophets, which come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits...every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit...Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
If you say things that are consistently in error to verifiable history & in conflict with the clear teaching of the Word of God, the fruit is poisonous. -Rev. S
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cushi6 months, 3 weeks ago
Jesus also said "Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees." That would be BoBo and those of you who keep insisting on blaming Obama for somebody else's issues, while Hillary and McCain can get by with a simple, "I misspoke."
Obama is the best and brightest hope this country has for a return to its glory days, but those of you who are terrified of him because he isn't quite white enough for your standards, are willing to toss him over the cliff without the slightest understanding that you will soon follow if Hillary or McCain gets into the oval office. One is menopausal and exhibits bi-polar tendencies and the other is a dottering, semi-senile, arrogant, short-tempered and petulant old man!
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NoWayMan6 months, 3 weeks ago
the poll numbers say you're wrong.
thank god most americans have the good sense not to pin wright's comments on to another man.
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tanglang6 months, 3 weeks ago
If I told you that I have attend a weekly klan rally for two decades would you hold it against me? Would that mean I should not be president? Would that not speak volumes about my character?
Would it not mean that I most likely share the feelings of hatred that are spoken there?
I really think you defenders of this blatant bigotry are being naive and are blind as can be.
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NoWayMan6 months, 3 weeks ago
so...you're calling the 1.2 members of the United Church of Christ the equivalent of the KKK.
I hope you realize how profoundly stupid that sounds.
and if your parents were racist, that would not mean you are racist, even though your parents have more infulence on you than any pastor ever could.
again, the rest of America doesn't see it your way and I say thank god.
since your beginning premise was so hugely flawed, I didn't bother to read the rest of your post.
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NoWayMan6 months, 3 weeks ago
so by "klan meeting" tang wasn't talking about the entire KKK, just the particular klan group he/she met with in his/her lame analogy?
is that the line of bullsh*t you've sold yourself?
get real.
comparing the entire United Church of Christ to the KKK, or comparing the 5000 member Chicago branch to a smaller branch of the KKK is simply stupid.
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TOD3966 months, 3 weeks ago
You really don't understand, do you? Let me guess, another fine product of the public school system in America. Were you the "one" who wasn't left behind?
I will spell it out for you.
Rev. Wright has on several instances in both written form and in the pulpit, spread hatred for races other than his own color. KKK meetings do the exact same thing. See the connection?
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tanglang6 months, 3 weeks ago
Thanks Tod. At least I can say that one person got it. Another thing that people like nowayman don't realize is that your parents are your blood, they gave birth to you. The man you choose to be your mentor is just that, someone you CHOSE to be your mentor. You cannot choose your parents.
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Silverghost6 months, 3 weeks ago
Tang: It seems that my comment drew out the Obamarite troglodytes en mass with their illogical reasonings. LOL ; ~ )
Thanx 4 standing up to the ragtags! -Rev. S
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MajJohn6 months, 3 weeks ago
Your analogy was easy to understand. But you have to also agree that the ENTIRE KKK is a hateful group while the ENTIRE Church of Christ is not. I must admit that it looks bad to attend 20 years of "meetings", listen to all that hate speech, and then expect us to believe that you were not influenced. And it does say something about your character to allow your children to hear that. Having said all that, I'd much rather have Obama in the White House than Hillary.
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Silverghost6 months, 3 weeks ago
MajJohn: I agree that Obama would be better than Hillary.
Yet it seems unconscionable for such a smart man to subject himself & his family to 20 yrs of Wright's vilifying diatribes & false teaching.
The comparison that Tang made to a KKK meeting is fine, regarding the hateful speech aspect. Illustrations never exactly equal the item, but are used to make a point, yet some are too dense to get it, trying to pick apart the illustration, rather than examine the issue.
To illustrate further, some Baptist churches spew hate. I am a Bible-believing Baptist missionary, who preaches regularly about God's love for all people in sending Christ to die for their sins. The Lord wants all people to come to Him through Christ for forgiveness & to obtain the blessing of eternal life. So, not all Baptists are the same.
If you choose to be a member of a church the promotes hatred of others, that's a bad choice. -Rev. S
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slate6 months, 3 weeks ago
Tang, do you notice the Obama supporters never answer a question just like you asked? Nahhhhhhh sitting and listening to hate speak for a few decades doesn't change the way you see things.
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NoWayMan6 months, 3 weeks ago
I did answer it, numbskull.
I said comparing the KKK with the United Church of Christ is profoundly stupid.
or if you want the easy answer, which is what it seems people like you and tanglang always want, then I'll give it to you.
"yes" "yes" and "yes"
too bad the question has nothing to do with the topic at hand since the KKK and the United Church of Christ is an idiotic comparison for equivalency.
happy now? (I bet not)
now answer my question:
does being raised by racists make you a racist?
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TOD3966 months, 3 weeks ago
Tang didn't compare the United Church of Christ, he compared Trinity Church in Chicago, a part of the larger church. Can you say with any proof that referring to Italians as garlic noses, is part of the United Church of Christ doctrine? Of so, can you point us to a document that supports that? Or is Wright the only one using that term.
Tang was dead on in comparing Obama listening to Wrights hatred vs. a person listening to a KKK session. They both spew hatred of other races, simply for the cause of hatred. And for Obama to be a part of that hatred for 20 years speaks volumes for who and what Obama really is.
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NoWayMan6 months, 3 weeks ago
re: italians/garlic noses. thats called hyperbole. lame, stupid hyperbole? sure. but hyperbole nontheless. he was also talking about the romans who executed Jesus, so he was talking angry. that's also called hyperbole.
prove its part of UCC doctrine? why, the burden of proof is on you. and so far it hasn't worked. just check the poll numbers.
if you think tang was dead on, then you're both dead wrong.
tang's comparison was truly idiotic. and if you can't see that, well then, your postiion on Obama doens't surprise me at all.
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TOD3966 months, 3 weeks ago
"he was also talking about the romans who executed Jesus,"
This is why we need to teach reading comprehension in schools with more vigor. Noway, do you own a bible? If so, read the gospels and when you get to the part where the scribes and pharisees sought a way to condemn Jesus because his teachings were against what they wished, read that part over and over again.
Hint: the scribes and pharisees were Jewish.
P.S. Pontius Pilate tried to release Jesus and offered to release him. It was the Jews who screamed that "his blood be on our hands".
So, in reality, it wasn't the persecution by the Romans that caused Jesus to be crucified, but the Jews.
As for the proof of the UCC doctrine, it was to refute your position that tang was attacking the entire UCC, when all he was comparing ws Rev. Wright's sermons vs. a KKK message.
His comparison was dead on...
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Silverghost6 months, 3 weeks ago
TOD: And the real issue in the Scriptures is that Jesus paid for all our sins on the Cross: Jew, Gentile (including Romans, Greeks, etc.), barbarian, civilized & as our children sing: "Red & yellow, black & white, they are precious in His sight."
I wonder if children in Black Liberation churches sing that tune! Of the Jews & Romans, Jesus said on the Cross: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Later on some of the chief Jewish priests repented of their sins & received Christ as their Savior, who had paid for their sins.
The Love of God for all mankind, spelled out in the Bible, is missing from Wright's messages, because he truncates the truth of the Word of God. That is the symptoms of a false prophet. -Rev. S
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Silverghost6 months, 2 weeks ago
You're welcome, TOD. In actuality, this forum helps me to study further, seeing I am compelled to dig deeper, at least by some posters.
Yet, as I tell my parishioners, If they feel that I've missed the target, to let me know. My wife is my greatest critic, who sometimes comes up with some difficult questions. LOL -Rev. S
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NoWayMan6 months, 2 weeks ago
then take it up with Rev. Wright since it was his sermon. I'm only letting you know what he was talking about. and that's what he was talking about.
I don't know if it is "biblically correct" (as if that's some kind of historical document) since I'm not a christian.
and tang's comparison is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen written on these boards.
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slate6 months, 3 weeks ago
The ole non-answer, answer it is.
So twenty years of listening to a black racist or 20 years of listening to a white racist aren't comparable? Do the vile words spoken from the KKH Pulpit sink in less than that from the black pulpit?
Can the white man living in Bama, sit and listen to the N word and all the hate fill speeches and it not affect him, in any way? Can the black man in Chi town sit and listen to the same things but on the other side of the coin that is vile racism and not have it affect him as well?
We can talk about these things because they are comparable, regardless whether we are talking about, the White Bubba or politician or the angry black man or politician,,,,,,, remember all hate groups twist logic to 'justify' what they do in the name of racism.
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