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Posted By bobo-in-texas 7 months ago in NewsReligion of Peace Update - The severed fingers of five Western contractors were sent to the U.S. military in Iraq. Allah must be very proud.
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Endoscopy7 months ago
Quran 8:12
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
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djn3nunez37 months ago
Yeah and the Chritian Bible has no such passages....NOT.
"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16 NLT)
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all รข;; old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
He was such an angry God.
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djn3nunez37 months ago
Yes it is. Claiming the entire Muslim religion is to blame for the action of these a**holes is specious.
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NoSpinDave7 months ago
I think its the utter failure of the SUPPOSED 90% of them to do anything about the 10% that creates all the terror is the REAL problem.
Until they turn on that segment of their religion I dont want to hear anymore about how they dont approve of these actions.
Actions speak louder than words!
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TonyByron7 months ago
"It is foreign interventions that has created the terrorist not their religion."
Pure BS and you know it. Blaming others for such sub-human behavior is just another tactic by the apologists to explain or condone the monsters. Osama wasn't bithcing about the American support of the mujahadeen when fighting the Soviets, was he?
All we did was help them win there and then walked away, leaving them alone. With their religion. What did they do with it? Did they build a peaceful, prosperous society?
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TonyByron7 months ago
And I could make a similarly silly argument that the US would have been blameless had they just nuked Afghanistan because the "terrorists made us do it".
Hows that work for you?
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djn3nunez37 months ago
"As the United States finds itself in the aftermath of another crisis in the Middle East, it is worth the risk of opprobrium to ask why there should be hostility toward America in that region. Some insight can be gained by surveying official U.S. conduct in the Middle East since the end of World War II. Acknowledged herein is a fundamental, yet deplorably overlooked, distinction between understanding and excusing. The purpose of this survey is not to pardon acts of violence against innocent people but to understand the reasons that drive people to violent political acts.[2] The stubborn and often self-serving notion that the historical record is irrelevant because political violence is inexcusable ensures that Americans will be caught in crises in the Middle East and elsewhere for many years to come."
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1019...
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TonyByron7 months ago
From your link: "President Bush's willingness to sacrifice American lives to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait, to restore the "legitimate" government of that feudal monarchy, and to create a "new world order" proceeds logically from the premises and policies of past administrations."
The author believes we should have left Kuwait to the tender mercies of saddam and by extension left the Saudis to fight alone, saddam's professed next target. He implies that the Kuwaiti government was less legitimate than saddam's tyranny built on murder and torture.
This quote could have come directly from Noam Chomsky, a brilliant but deeply troubled man.
""I don't like to say it but I grew up with a kind of visceral fear of Catholics." Wiki
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djn3nunez37 months ago
Please provide the quote where the author says he believes
"we should have left Kuwait to the tender mercies of saddam".
He actually never said that, nor do I beleive that is what he meant.
I don't recall Saddam proffessing his next target would be Saudi Arabia. I do remember the 1st Bush administrtion saying they have satellite images of Iraq tanks on the boarder which have never been released, and I remember there are Russian satillite images at the same time that show no build up along the Saudi border.
The auther never implies that Kuwiat was any less legitimate that any other monarch in the region.
The Cato Institute seeks to broaden the parameters of public policy debate to allow consideration of the traditional American principles of limited government, individual liberty, free markets and peace.
www.cato.org
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pcknowledge7 months ago
"All we did was help them win there and then walked away, leaving them alone."
Nope, we continued to meddle. The mujuhadeen came to be known as the Taliban. Reagan called them "freedon fighters."
After they ousted the Soviets, they made it clear they didn't want any foreigners on their land. But, our government coninued to station our troops there to protect our oil interests.
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pcknowledge7 months ago
If you don't know that our troops where still in Afghanistan after the mujhadeen who came to be known as the Taliban ousted the Soviets, I can't teach you. You need to do your own research. And, were you alive & paying attention to what was happening in the ME regions including Afghanistan when Reagan was President?
By the way, our troops are still in Afghanistan. Bush took an interest in their poppy seeds to. Bush send our troops into Afghanistan when Bin Ladin was reported to be in Rawalpindi, Pakistan.
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bobo-in-texas7 months ago
You are completely wrong on this and don't know what you are talking about.
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pcknowledge7 months ago
Maybe you can read some. The first book I recommend is
Rogue State. A Guide to the World's Only Superpower by William Blum. It examines our foreign policy during and following the Cold War.
There are plenty of books out there. And, if you haven't done this already, it helps to travel in the ME to understand the political oil issues better. Our involvement in the Middle East is all about oil, profits & money.
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TonyByron7 months ago
We have "oil interests" in Afghanistan?
Here is some info on Afghanistan's oil production.
http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=a...
Wanna pull my other leg?
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dissent7 months ago
not up on your geography are you tb? ever heard of a big bucket of oil called the Caspian Oil Basin. if we were to get that oil we'd need to go thru, hmmmmm..... now let me see. Oh, that's right!! Afghanistan!!!!
We had Unocal doing deals with the Taliban for a pipeline through the country. here's the news from 2002.
"The construction of the 850-kilometre pipeline had been previously discussed between Afghanistan's former Taliban regime, US oil company Unocal and Bridas of Argentina.
Mr Razim said US energy company Unocal was the "lead company" among those that would build the pipeline, which would bring 30bn cubic meters of Turkmen gas to market annually.
Unocal - which led a consortium of companies from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Japan and South Korea - has maintained the project is both economically and technically feasible once Afghan stability was secured."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm
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wtagg7 months ago
Unfortunately, that doesn't speak very well for our ability to judge the character of others, does it?
Will it be a surprise when those we are allegedly helping now turn against us? This is the fundemental issue in Iraq. If is turns into another Afghanistan/Taliban/Al Qaeda, will we learn then? I doubt it. We are pouring money down the drain and that is not conservative.
So your comment demonstrates that we have not learned from our past experiences. Why are we continuing down the same path? What makes this the time where everything turns out different?
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TonyByron7 months ago
wtagg, it is to our credit that we did learn.
We left Afghanistan back then to sort itself out, obviously the barbarians took over. Huge mistake. This time we are fighting to allow a democratic society that is not ruled by theo-thugs who would kill a girl for going to school, who would pull a woman's fingernails out for wearing nail polish.I could go on.
"Why are we continuing down the same path?"
Ummm... obviously we are not.
Your comment demonstrates your lack of comprehension about what is going on in Afghanistan, Iraq and around the world.
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wtagg7 months ago
Please provide some examples of us demonstrating that we have learned from our mistakes. You can start by providing all the benefits our hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of lives, and tens of thousands of causulties have provided us.
We have spent 6 and a 1/2 years in Afghanistan and just about 5 in Iraq. Both are more than our time involved with WWII. How have we improved our lives? How have we improved theirs? We have yet to accomplish our alleged primary goal. Why?
Is it our place to stick our nose into the cultural areas of other countries? We fought in Afghanistan because of 9/11 and Al Qaeda, not because of how a group of men treat a group of women. If that is so, then there are dozens of countries we should be fighting in.
To turn the mirror, should not your rational allow others to fight us because we treat our women differently than they do? Actually, there are plenty of instances in this country where the same thing is occurring.
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zimm7 months ago
Stories like this always bring out the kooky jihad apologists on Propeller.
Sure... the radical Islamists were just peace loving folks until we started upsetting them. That's why they killed hundreds of our marines in Beirut in 1983, bombed the USS Cole a few years back, held our hostages in Iran for 444 days in 1979, attacked the Trade Center on 9/11, etc, etc, etc
Of course all of the above was before we invaded Iraq...
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pcknowledge7 months ago
"Of course all of the above was before we invaded Iraq..."
All of the above happened after we began meddling in the various ME regions.
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Candida7 months ago
NoSpinDave: "I think its the utter failure of the SUPPOSED 90% of them to do anything about the 10% that creates all the terror is the REAL problem."
I've asked this before and I'll ask again: What did you do to prevent the invasion of Iraq? Thousands and thousands of people have died and been mutilated as a result of that invasion. You are responsible for them.
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Natureboy7 months ago
Ask the question closer to home -
The vast majority of Americans want the US out of Iraq. What are we doing about the American minority that is creating the terror in the Middle East?
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MRCOFFEECAKE7 months ago
Write letters to the newspaper in your community.
Ask to speak or support having speakers at your mosque who can disavow and garner support against those hijacking your religion.
Found a local organization that represents a group of Muslims who oppose violence.Go public..Stop hiding..
Doing nothing is as bad as being a silent supporter.
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muhairi87 months ago
All the things that you said is being done in my country by many people, religious leaders always speak against terrorism and killing innocent people, the newspapers always speak against the actions of these people, the public in general are against these things.
In my country we don't have these extremists, I was talking about Iraq.
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dissent7 months ago
it's one thing to speak, it's something altogether different to be heard. and by being heard, muhair, i'm not talking about your country but ours. media and journalism is a highly selective process. it's created by a protective, nationalistic perspective and then it proceeds to feed it and reinforce it until people like booboo, tom byron and others actually think it's real. the funny thing is that what they attack your religion for is exactly what they are the gullible victims of themselves...... indoctrination. that's probably why they attack it so much because they don't understand how people come to think the way they think, themselves included.
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MRCOFFEECAKE7 months ago
Not ONE leader of a Mosque has held ONE press conference to speak out or condemn BinLaden or extremism.
Not ONE Muslim leader has called for the Palestinians to stop having celebrations in the street whenever innocent children and civilians are killed in israel..We did not see ONE Muslim leader condemn the street celebrations that were rampant in Muslim nations the day after 9/11.
We have not seen one Muslim press conference demanding that violence stop being taught in so many Arabic schools.
Sure, there's the occasional 7 second condemnation sound bite, but there is clearly nothing but fear in your religion and certainly no pacifistic voice of leadership..Rushdi remains in hiding 22 years after his book
exposing the "Religion of Violence". We don't see ANYONE coming to his defense for freedom of speech..NO ONE.
Your religion has been hijacked by violent haters and
its only voice has been expressed in more violence.
Failure to see this is tantamount to indifference.
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pcknowledge7 months ago
I also think while people are waiting for the muslim world to dennounce Bin Laden publicly & full force, we should try & get our (very own) President (that would be Bush) to be concerned about Bin Laden.
I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
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Candida7 months ago
MRCOFFEECAKE: "We did not see ONE Muslim leader condemn the street celebrations that were rampant in Muslim nations the day after 9/11."
Perhaps it wasn't shown to you or you weren't paying attention. Iran officially condemned the 9/11 terrorists.
What did they get in exchange? They were named as part of the axis of evil.
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BigBadJohn6667 months ago
Anyone that defends the filthy cult of islam is an ignorant fool. They all believe the same thing or they would speak out against it. Some say, well it only 10 or 20 per cent of the that are terrorists. Even if that were true, 10% is 150 million and 20% is 300 million. 300 million is the same as the whole population of the United States.
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muhairi87 months ago
"The passages you quoted are from the old testament of the bible, Christians follow the new testament. Duh!"
This is a stupid argument and goes against the Trinity, if you think about it the God of the OT is the same God as the NT,right ?
Then it was Jesus who ordered these killings in the OT, right ?
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dissent7 months ago
wolfie, (oh this is just to juicy), then why don't your christian leaders speak out and condemn it? disavow themselves from the old testament and testify that the new testament is the only TRUE word of god?....... bet they don't :|
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ecotourusa7 months ago
we need to bring our sweet little asses home. what do you expect? we invaded.
bring our military home to protect us at home. all we have done is make it convenient for them to attack us on their soil.
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Dionys7 months ago
The US command, who officialy doesn't estimate such figures put it around 40,000 a few years back.
So 40,000 innocent Iraqis dead is okay by you?
Most independant estimates put it close to or more than half a million. Frankly I'll depend on independant estimates over a constantly lying administration who 'doesn't count' how many people it's murdered.
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dissent7 months ago
eh, actually Bush flipped off 30000 like it was nothing back then. personally i'll go with the pros who've been spot on before who put it at 650 mil a cuppla years ago, which would make it over a mil today. but both of you are missing an important point. this admin doesn't count dead iraqis. rummy said so himself. they don't really give a sh*t about dead brown muslims no matter much how much they keep on saying they do. THAT's the point. so whether it's 30ooo like bush says or over a million like the experts say it still adds up to a lot of dead brown muslims who would have stood a pretty good chance of staying alive today if we'd never "saved" them in the first place. and the longer we stay more of them will die and I don't give a sh*t about the lame excuses of factional fighting or the details about why. that's like saying the curtains are on fire when the whole house is burning. we started the fire , that makes it ours. broke it, bought it
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saintetienne7 months ago
"Yeah and the Chritian Bible has no such passages....NOT."
The difference being, djnuthead, Christians came to their senses and stopped slaughtering "unbelievers" centuries ago, while today's Muslims seem to have forgotten that the world is not in the barbaric Middle Ages anymore. Somebody needs to tell the Arabs that it's 2008. Oh yeah, and to take a shower.
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GWHayduke7 months ago
FRENCHIE!!!!
Welcome back! Boy oh boy, have we missed your insight!
As for slaughtering 'unbelievers' - no, Christians did give that up - unless those 'unbelievers' have lots of oil in their ground.
We've got NEW reasons for the slaughter! It still amounts to a perverted justification for death though.
The 'shower' comment - hooeee!!! same ol' Frenchie!
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DanmLiberals7 months ago
I guess these Liberals don't see the Palestinians dancing in the streets after they intentionally charge a school and kill students in the name of Allah. I guess Libs. never see Suicide bombers blow themselves up in the name of Allah and being a so called Martyr. Or jailing people for calling a teddy bear Muhammed. Or gang raping a girl because she was with a man and if your muslim you can't do that.
It's safe to say that Islam has breed these terrorists and if you dont see that they you are one ignorant fool.
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djn3nunez37 months ago
I disagree. I think it is the conditions these people live under, (Palestinians, Iraqis) that breeds the hatred. I do beleive that unscrupulous MFer's use religion to brainwash young impressionable Muslims into act of violence and suicide. I don't blame the religion but the MFer's who do the brainwashing.
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Endoscopy7 months ago
You need to read their religious books. The Koran, Hadiths, and Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad are the basis of their hatred and killing. It is ALL in accord with those teachings. Muhammad did it so they are as well.
They had a choice of living in peace like many other Muslims do in Israel but they chose to separate themselves and blame the Jews for winning the war in 1948 and the ones after that. The Muslim nations attacking Israel and were going to push them into the sea and kill them there. They promised the Muslims there the booty like Muhammad got after conquering the Jews in Yathrib.
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djn3nunez37 months ago
Many of the Arabs that lived inside the Israeli side of the partition were forced to leave before the Israeli decaration of independence and were not allowed to return. Also, the Jordanian army that came to the aid of the Palestinians had orders not to attack the Israelis inside their green zone.
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Dionys7 months ago
"being a so called Martyr. Or jailing people for calling a teddy bear Muhammed. Or gang raping a girl because she was with a man and if your muslim you can't do that. "
I guess you GOP people never talk to women in the military returning from Iraq. Or you wouldn't be so quick to talk about women being raped by their own. Next time you talk to a vet of this war who is a woman, ask her why every single woman lived in fear of going outside their room at night to use the latrines. It's not because there were Iraqis in the green zone.
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cherev7 months ago
"Why do you want to slander the troops?"
They need to get their jollies somehow. You wouldn't expect them to actually behave like Americans, would you?
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Dionys7 months ago
"Why do you want to slander the troops?"
It's not slander when it's true. Have you talked to female vets who've returned? Three out of the five under my command were raped on the way to the latrine by other American soldiers, the other two were smart enough to keep bottles or bowls in their room. Try talking to the people you claim to support.
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bobo-in-texas7 months ago
And just when and where were you commanding US troops? Did you participate in the widespread murder that you claim other US troops are guilty of? Why did you allow 60% of the women that you commanded to be raped?
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cherev7 months ago
"I guess these Liberals don't see the Palestinians dancing in the streets after they intentionally charge a school and kill students in the name of Allah. "
What makes you think you don't support the Arabs dancing in the street celebrating the murders?
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MRCOFFEECAKE7 months ago
What do libs have to do with it?
Is staying in Iraq going to lead to the conquest of all
American and jewish hating Muslims??
Now I think your support of prolonging a bad neverending policy makes you look just a notch less foolish than those street dancing haters..But you've had a western education, so what's your excuse???
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MRCOFFEECAKE7 months ago
Yeah and going over there and getting our troops slaughtered
endlessly sure shows them a thing or two, doesn't it??
It shows them that we can't even find their leader in a cave and that our leader is a stupid cowboy..
I don't think they hate us for our humanitarian efforts, I think they hate us for our stupidity..
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djn3nunez37 months ago
"Christians came to their senses and stopped slaughtering "unbelievers" centuries ago, while today's Muslims seem to have forgotten that the world is not in the barbaric Middle Ages anymore."
I guess the Serbs didn't get that memo before they started their ethnic cleansing in the 90s huh?
The last Christian heretic was executed in Spain as recently as 1826. In the United States we were killing Mormons as late as 1844.
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NoSpinDave7 months ago
"United States we were killing Mormons as late as 1844."
WTF, do you honestly think ANYTHING that happened over 150 years ago (yep, that means NOBODY is still alive from that time) has ANY relevance now?
The fact that you have to make such a REACH to make your point speaks volumes about your side of the arguement!
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MRCOFFEECAKE7 months ago
No, we used waterboarding in the name of democracy..
We use it to protect our christian nation..
I think you know that.
But I happen to be in favor of torturing some of them.
Sorry, but war to protect civilians and to seek out barbarians is hell.. These people would not be deterred by any of our civil efforts.. They resort to horrific acts against known innocents and have no conscience.
To stop terrorism we have no choice.
The stakes are too high..
But, the torturers had better be damn straight accountable and
they had better have damn secure reason behind it...
We have too many psychos in our military to let them go unchecked..
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dissent7 months ago
ummm,,,,errr,,,,ummmm,,,, bush, talks to god, cool with waterboarding, looks suspiciously like waterboarding in the name of christianity. unless bush and god haven't got around to talking about waterboarding yet and if they did bush must have used his veto scepter
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NoSpinDave7 months ago
whats REALLY scarry is liberals have become so brainwashed by their masters they dont even know whats real or true anymore.
What color is the sky in liberal candy land anyway? Do the rivers run red with Cool-Aid and the clouds are made of cotton candy??
ANything can be true in libby land, just repeat it enough times on social news sites and BAM...you have a brand new truth!!!!
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MRCOFFEECAKE7 months ago
I wish you'd focus more of your contempt on the real enemy and use your passions for convincing what you see to be the largest opposition on the "other side" of OUR democratic political spectrum..You won't get many to rethink their philosophy if you continue to be such a word bully...
I'm mostly pro-Democrat, but I support in the death penalty
and believe that torture is a necessary weapon, if properly
controlled..So, does that make me a brainwashed liberal too,
just because I hate the idiocy of the Iraq war and know that "the Greatest nation in the world" could implement so many better methods to combat worldwide terrorism that to taunt and bribe a distant civilian population with our military?
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Dionys7 months ago
"WTF, do you honestly think ANYTHING that happened over 150 years ago (yep, that means NOBODY is still alive from that time) has ANY relevance now? "
This is exactly why we'll lose any 'war' in the Middle East. For America, Americans can hardly remember two years ago, much less 150. For the middle east and many other countries, 250 years is a short history.
As for who we were killing as late as X, the US has been killing Native Americans for hundreds of years and it sure hasn't slowed down much. They were sterilizing them up into the 70s and 80s. Of this century. There's plenty of barbarism to go around in the US. When was the last racially motivated lynching? Which country do we currently support as our most favored trading partner who is murdering and oppressing Buddhist monks?
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NoSpinDave7 months ago
"This is exactly why we'll lose any 'war' in the Middle East. For America, Americans can hardly remember two years ago, much less 150. For the middle east and many other countries, 250 years is a short history."
the fact they cant let go of things that happend 250 years ago is EXACTLY why they cant EVER have peace in their region.
You have just explained whats wrong with THEM, not whats wrong with the U.S.
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