Why Do Some Christians Want To Run YOUR Life? : Op Ed »
Posted By Bkumm 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsWhen it comes right down to it, we can all get together and talk about religion, saying this and that and the other thing, use a bunch of big words, but the fact remains that Christianity is the religion of people that want to run your life for you.
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
I'm not posting this to really irritate anyone, I'm just tired of it. I would like this to be a country where we all respected each other and I'm sick of the idea that permissiveness is somehow not respecting another person.
That is a ludicrous idea and I'm tired of it.
So, I hope people enjoy it and I hope it sparks some lively conversation, but I'm really not trying to make anyone angry.
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deathray1 year, 3 months ago
OK, I'll make people angry for you.
Christians won't be happy until they make everybody as unhappy as they are.
I've never seen a Christian as happy as when they can, individually or collectively, make someone else feel miserable.
Hive poked.
Mission Accomplished.
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
Poking the bear is a good thing, hence, why I wrote the article. I don't want them to enjoy it either, but I would rather that they used this opportunity to look at themselves rather than be all angry at me.
But, hey, if getting mad at me is what it takes, then let the hate fest begin.
Didn't somebody else say mission accomplished? And isn't he an acknowledged Christian? Hmmmm....
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
Perhaps, I do. But, I did write this and I am coming to believe that inaction in the face of inequity is worse than action in the support of a wrong.
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
No, I'm not. I'm not saying that Christians can't get married. It is the difference between inclusion and exclusion.
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marlenebomer1 year, 3 months ago
We freethinkers Jaydee are in favor of a healthy debate as long as prejudicial and inaccurate facts aren't presented.
For instance: creationists claim the earth is tens of thousands of years old, and humans walked with the dinosaurs. We know that's a lie, because human remains have *never* been found among dinosaur bones, and astronauts found rocks *billions* of years old on the Moon!
Many in the religious reicht want to return to the days when only a select few were educated -- the wealthy, connected, and royalty.
This is why the clerics have always attacked scientists, who've been able to explain why people get sick, what those little points of light in the sky are, the fact that handedness is as immutable as eye and hair color, ad infinitum.
Did you know that many religious "experts" were demanding that the first heart transplant back in the 1967 be halted because they still believed the soul resided in the heart?
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CrackTheSky1 year, 3 months ago
Your comments are prejudiced, only you don't see it that way because they are YOUR beliefs.
Reported as offensive to my ideological sensibility.
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
I agree, and I would never confront kids about such things. However, I have questioned the school about prayer practices. I don't understand why kids need to pray at school and why they can't do it in the privacy of their home with their parents before they go to school or in church? That way each family can follow their own religious practices or lack thereof. I have no objection to teaching religious history to older kids, but making 5-6 year olds pray is brainwashing.
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marlenebomer1 year, 3 months ago
The zealotry starts when it becomes mandatory, and only a certain sect's way of praying is allowed.
As long as the prayer is being made *as an individual* and is not coercive or disruptive, then under the Constitution is permitted.
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MikeFromCanada1 year, 3 months ago
I believe you own me a royalty for the car on the garage reference.
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schismatist1 year, 3 months ago
Poke that damned bear with a rusty dull stainless steel rod as hard as you can!! They showed up at my door this morning acting all cheerful and bouncy, man that sh!t gets old.
Live and let live, but that's just to easy.
Fundamentalist America, how can we ruin your life today??
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templeoffire1 year, 3 months ago
It seems to me that atheists are the most unhappy, angry people. ( I think that`s why they become atheists in the first place.)
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RickyDawkins1 year, 3 months ago
Funny, that's what I noticed about bible thumpers. They are viscious, demented, racist, and mean.
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libsRfunny1 year, 3 months ago
"Funny, that's what I noticed about bible thumpers. They are viscious, demented, racist, and mean."
We've always known that about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
We should also add two other (hateful) personalities:
Ted Haggard and Pat Robertson.
Funny thing is none of these gentlemen ever met Jesus Christ, but they claim they have a direct line to him, and twist and turn everything Jesus is supposed to have said into something that supports their ulterior motives.
Haggard is the poster boy for the hypocrisy of the Born Again crowd. While he was proclaiming Christian values and bashing gays, he was having an affair with a gay male prostitute in Denver!
Jesus walked barefoot on this earth. These self appointed apostles can't move their behind without a limousine or a private jet.
To borrow from the Late Sen. Bentsen's style,
"Ministers, we have known Jesus Christ from his words and teachings. He has saved millions of the hungry and poor masses. He was our friend. You, Ministers, are no Jesus, so stop taking his name to suit your personal agendas and selfish motives!"
Peace and Blessings!
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
jaem,
Funny you wrote that!
I had written The late Jerry Falwell's name and his twisted take on Christianity. However, on second thoughts, I took his name off for the respect for the dead. He is no longer here to defend his misdeeds, so we just have to let him rest in peace, wherever he is.
Moral Majority has divided this nation like nothing else. I hope this empire of this Jabba the Hut implodes under its own weight.
Peace and Blessings!
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jaern1 year, 3 months ago
Unfortunately, the man may be dead but his teachings of hatred and intolerance did not die along with him.
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schismatist1 year, 3 months ago
Ok, I guess I just don't understand something?
Does speaking ill of a dead piece of sh!t condemn me to a place I don't believe in?
Plenty of those "fundamentalists" speak ill of people that don't believe like they do when we die.
They just don't believe in a level playing field, it's our way or burn in hell!!
Like Mark Twain said, it will be a better party in hell than boring old harps in heaven. Like I want to spend eternity worshiping the assh0le that created this mess!!
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
jaern:
schismatist:
I understand your anger and frustration!
I was brought up in the belief that you do not attack or malign someone who cannot defend himself/herself, and that animosity, vengeance and anger stop at the shores of life. (I never lost an opportunity to attack him when he was still alive.)
Peace and Blessings!
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2sidestoeverything1 year, 3 months ago
There no worse then Jim Baker and Jimmy Swagger yo nsmr a few.
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Ciera-Marie1 year, 3 months ago
Mother Theresa was an amazing woman. She dared to do what many Christians don't do. She lived her faith. She studied the bible, prayed, and walked what she believed. She did not force her beliefs on anyone. She didn't force anyone to believe what she believed, convert to Catholicism, or force them to help the leapers. She was a living breathing example of what some Christians have been taught and many don't do. They will know us by our LOVE. She was the only bible many read. Because of the life she dared to live, India when she died, declared a National Day of Mourning. Her funeral procession included India's military. Streets where lined with people paying their respects for her.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 3 months ago
When I first came here, I think I may have given Bkumm the old tooth-fairy agnostic lashing. He was busy preaching something about tolerance for all beings, and I got the wrong impression that he was going bible style, but we have since made peace.
Hannibal, you are a tough cookie, I don't mess with you anymore. But I enjoy your comments.
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santa01 year, 3 months ago
not that i am a big christian defender, but that is more a problem with the torah than the christian bible, since jesus denounced the theological laws set down by Moses to start his new church. this was the very beginning of christianity.
its ironic though that this happened (if i remember my catholic school correctly) on the same day as the lord's prayer in his sermon on the mount (and again i could be wrong.)
ironic because the point of the sermon was that our faith in God is not judged by our ability to follow rules and feign holiness... it is in how we relate to him, speak to him, praise him, and most importantly, manifest this through our relations with the creations he has made in his own image, our fellow man. it was this that Christianity or The Kingdon of God (as He called it) was to be based on. Religion as philosphy and not rule.
goes to show how the sheep stray when they lose their shepard.
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Daylight1 year, 3 months ago
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not that i am a big christian defender, but that is more a problem with the torah than the christian bible, since jesus denounced the theological laws set down by Moses to start his new church. this was the very beginning of christianity.
No it is not true, Jesus never denounces the laws Moses set down, listen to Jesus," I did not come to change the laws of the prophets but to fulfill", the problem is that the Bible has been distorted to suit everybody's own desire.
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santa01 year, 3 months ago
what i have understood to be a more accurate translation is "not DENOUNCE the laws of the prophets but to fulfill." the insinuation being that the laws are no longer to be practiced, not because they are denounced, but because Jesus himself is fulfilling them.
through his life we are no longer bound by the Old Law, and by his fulfillment of the Law He has made clean what was not clean.
the following passages do not relate directly to slavery, but the Law's of Moses in general.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
Matthew 15:11: not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Acts 10:9-15: "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
Romans 14:14 There is nothing unclean of itself.
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Bacalao1 year, 3 months ago
Sorry no beef with God here. Never asked for a miracle either. My only problem is that I judge a god by its followers. If Yehova is anything like his most vocal followers instead of his more devout ones, I pitty him/her/them/it/nothing
And yes I have met a few(very few) christians of which I knew were of the faithful. I have met many more devout budhist, muslims & hindus than I have followers of the man called Jesus. Most just give him lip-service whilst using his name to foist their own agendas.
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dunkirk1 year, 3 months ago
Psssst atheists believe there IS NO GOD, hard to have a beef with something nonexistant. Altho I guess you prove that wrong all the time when fighting with the voices in your head.
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
mcarpentry: "Athiests ... turn their anger on anyone that believes."
No, atheists, at least the ones I know, have no problem with people's faith. Speaking for myself, I really don't care what you believe in, and I have no intention of interfering with it, as long as you show the same courtesy to me and my family.
I don't want people knocking on my door to tell me that I'll go to hell, I don't want my children to pray in public school, I don't want them to be taught creationism or intelligent design, and I don't want people to lobby the government to deny others some rights.
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libsRfunny1 year, 3 months ago
"Christians won't be happy until they make everybody as unhappy as they are."
Somehow, that seems more applicable to the Islamo-fascists.
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libsRfunny1 year, 3 months ago
"Same girl, different dress."
I've yet to see Christians strapping bombs to themselves in murder/suicide attempts or vowing to make entire nations "disappear."
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donald511 year, 3 months ago
...you use the tactics that work and that are available to you! For the Cheney hawks its bombs and overwhelming firepower with little care for the innocent and collateral damage! Cheney has acomplished 650,000 killed with 3 and one half million displaced out of Iraq alone while the terrorists/insurgents numbers are far less! Like the Israelis' use of overwhelming firepower recently in Lebanon that Dubya wouldn't even condemn!
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KingOfTruth1 year, 3 months ago
UH HUH...but they were fighting against communists and their allies the Democrats....
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RickyDawkins1 year, 3 months ago
And when/if they do blindy follow the bible, they are often led astray of modern human decency.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 3 months ago
Oops! Guess they'll have to go to confession after they finish shooting all those bullets and rockets and dropping all those bombs n stuff.
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jdhatl1 year, 3 months ago
"I've yet to see Christians strapping bombs to themselves in murder/suicide attempts or vowing to make entire nations "disappear.""
Our entire continent was full of people but the christians considered them "heathens" and massacred them, their way of life, and the natural beauty they lived in. The religion is evil because it teaches that god made everything for us to exploit. I beg to differ
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tkyrchncs1 year, 3 months ago
Suicide is anathema to all Christians. But most don't seem to mind using the bomb without the suicide carrier.
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david_nwpa1 year, 3 months ago
Hmm, would you have forgotten the Inquisition which did not officially end until 1815 at the Congress of Vienna? Would you be referring to the crusades, which did not officially end until 1914 with the onset of World War I? Would you mean the Christians that slaughtered millions of native Americans in the name of Manifest Destiny and "spreading the Christian word to the heathens"? Would you like me to continue?
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Bacalao1 year, 3 months ago
"I've yet to see Christians strapping bombs to themselves in murder/suicide attempts or vowing to make entire nations "disappear.""
You may be right. It seems that they would rather put doctors in their gun sights and live to kill annother day. Nothing like two bombs timed 30min appart at the local free clinic, only because it has done a few abortions. Christians would rather MURDER from a distance, for they know murder is a sin. Absolution for killing innocent bystanders comes later, I guess.
LIBSRFUNNY--- your onesided view sickens me. If I believed in prayer I would gladly pray for you.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 3 months ago
libsR said-I've yet to see Christians strapping bombs to themselves in murder/suicide attempts or vowing to make entire nations "disappear."
back in the day, I bet the so called Christian crusaders wished they had bombs, they probably wouldn't have done the suicide thing, but sure as the sun rises, they'd have used the bombs. Now they can't do it!
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Daylight1 year, 3 months ago
libsRfunny
"Same girl, different dress."
I've yet to see Christians strapping bombs to themselves in murder/suicide attempts or vowing to make entire nations "disappear."
That is the price you pay for your occupation and invation, that has nothing to do with your so call true belief.
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Justice4All1 year, 3 months ago
Maybe it should be worded:
"Religous fanitics won't be happy until they make everybody as unhappy as they are."
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
"The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it. Each is the proper guardian of his own health, whether bodily, or mental or spiritual. Mankind are greater gainers by suffering each other to live as seems good to themselves, than by compelling each to live as seems good to the rest."
John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago
slate, I've yet to see a brain damaged person who wasn't happy either. The less your aware of ....
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GregD1 year, 3 months ago
My introduction to a Christian church.
I was dating a girl who happened to be a Christian and went to church every Sunday and volunteered at her church regularly. I'm by no means a religious person, although I consider myself spiritual...and am open minded enough to try it...but I digress. Upon being introduced to me for the first time and still within earshot, her pastor asked if I was a Christian to which she replied, "no". The pastor gave myself and my girlfriend a disapproving raised eyebrow.
After about a month of Sundays attempting to see where I might fit into this girls life, I continued to hear the pastor preach about What Would Jesus Do? and I couldn't help but think how much I didn't respect this pastor and thought him a hypocrite. Needless to say, I found out that I didn't fit into this girls life and she didn't fit into mine.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 3 months ago
I swear it's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Bo...
But in all fairness, that's what I probably seem like to THEM. Some kind of posessed, helbent, anarchist.
Alas, I am a mild mannered (unless you scuff my nike's), highly educated, and kind. I'm just telling it like I see it. I used to believe in God, because that's what I was taught, now I would bet my bottom dollar that there isn't. And I ain't the gambling type, (except for texas hold em).
And I can go so far as to put myself in their shoes (something which they have a hard time doing) and realize that they do mean well. Wherein, lies the PROBLEM, that at the ROOT of CHRISTIANITY is a 2000 year old TEXT.
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