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RickyDawkins1 year, 4 months ago
http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/som...
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.""I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own ; a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.""I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
-ALBERT EINSTEIN
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DeadHead131 year, 4 months ago
Thank God! (sic) I thought I was going to have to go find those quotes and post them myself.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 4 months ago
Whoa, very selective editing. Galileo was imprisoned and said much of this to get and stay out of prison.
Einstein quotes not mentioned:
"I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist." "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one.You may call me an agnostic."
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 4 months ago
"It was a lie about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Bacon said:
"atheism leads a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation: all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue..."
A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism.
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mikhurst1 year, 4 months ago
re:" A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism" -> why then, can't the atheist figure out who God is? Why then, can't the atheist figure out why he/she is here on this earth? Why then, does the atheist who claims the universe is billions and billions of years old, believe we only live one short 70 or 80 year life, then crumble back into dust? Why then, does the atheist who claims there IS no God, vehemently blame God for every major disaster that has ever gone occurred? Why then, do the atheists on these posts continually misinterpret, misquote and mistranslate the Word of God? The list goes on and on...
My observation from being on this "religion" forum: A selective reading (with bitterness in the heart and intent to cite cruelty) will lead to mis-interpretation of the Bible and is a well-guided path to atheism.
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klementina1 year, 4 months ago
Wow, I like theese citations very much! There are several more arguments for my discussions with ignorant christians.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 4 months ago
"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally I am an atheist. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time." -Isaac Asimov
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 4 months ago
that's a good quote. ty for repeating it.
proving God does or does not exist is a logical impossibility and a waste of time.
to a scientist, you need empiric evidence observable thru testing and experimentation, unless you believe in a God subject to human senses
The 'burden of proof' thing, and that proof being a product of human senses, and the God of most religions being beyond human senses, well, that's the crux of the biscuit right there, as Mr Zappa would say
as a believer, I understand that there is no basis for my belief that holds up to scientific inquiry, and I am cool with that.
I am not a scientist first, first I am a man with questions that need answering, regardless if other men[science] can answer them for me
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Albmore1 year, 4 months ago
You know I have seen several blogs articles here on who is Christian or Atheist. From Eistien to Actors to Jefferson to Hitler. I believe alot of Atheist feel themselves more intellectual when they feel they can allign theirselves with the comments of men like Einstein or Jefferson, but it has been proven by both sides that most of these men some time or another made comments both for and against God. The reason is they are just men like you and I. Only God knows what they really believed in thier hearts. I prefer not to follow man but Jesus. He new his fathers will and ALWAYS did what was pleasing to him.
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Helixbuilder1 year, 4 months ago
You see things the way you want to, even it is not true but to state your opinion as if it really were true is, well naive.
So how can you make this statement? "Atheist feel themselves more intellectual when they feel they can allign theirselves with the comments of men like Einstein or Jefferson"
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eviln3d1 year, 4 months ago
Actually... those folks were all realist and as such knew what they had to say and what they couldn't say if they wanted to acheive their goals. The fact that someone claims to be an atheist is not a positive thing that someone will say to gain the sympathy or popularity required to succeed. Whereas saying you believe in God is much safer and can help you acheive success.
In the end, if you truly believe in God you would never say you were an athiest, if however you are an athiest you could freely lie about believing in God and fear no consequence, after all no God no Hell no problem with lies.
That said, if someone says they don't believe in God but once it is most telling that they don't believe. If they always say they believe then yes they probably do believe. So for me I see all those folk the bible thumpers like to say believe in God as models the bible thumpers use to try and make them seem less stupid kinda sad if you think about it.
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klementina1 year, 4 months ago
I have impression that majority of christians know little about their religion, about persons of bible and church history. Their faith is blind. However, I think it is necessary for educated and cultivated person to have some knowledge of religion for understand all religious allusions and metaphors in art and litterature.
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mikhurst1 year, 4 months ago
re:"I have impression that majority of Christians know little about their religion" -> well said, but (1) how many Christians do you personally know? and (2) are they "born-again" Christians or just people like you cited in the latter part of your comment? ->(ie:"educated and cultivated person to have some knowledge of religion for understand all religious allusions and metaphors in art and litterature"). Those kind of "skin-deep Christians" are phony and plastic and take on the "Christian" label to gain acceptance into certain social circles. As a matter of fact, that's a pretty apt description of the "majority of Christians" you cited (in the former part of your comment) who "know little about their religion", isn't it?
I wonder if your view of Christians is the view you yourself have created?
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Albmore1 year, 4 months ago
I am not impressed with any of the statements for the reason I stated above that it is proven that most of these have been quoted stating for and against God. Something that is typical for mankind.So Radiofreeeuropes quotes are anything but enlighting.What I wonder is do you find those who make such quotes your idols? Is it them who you follow or allow to think for you? It takes about to minutes in the internet to find oppossing quotes from many. klementia if your looking to argue why not join a debate team. Gods message is very clear you have the choice to worship him or not. Nothing to argue about. We as christians are called to deliver the word of the Gospel. Not do go on an never ending arguement with the non-believer. It is okay to discuss your doubts, but if your doing for the sake of just trying to prove your right at the end you will find out how little knowledge man really has.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 4 months ago
Huh?
http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/som...
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.""I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own ; a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.""I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
-ALBERT EINSTEIN
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 4 months ago
I think there as many gods as there are people who believe in them, for the closest thing we can get due to the subjective nature of our individual realities is an individual impression. like the flower or painting is different to as many eyes that view it, and the objective reality of the flower or painting is beyond all those eyes
i seem to breaking my New Years resolution about posting on past due threads....
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 4 months ago
God I love baseball--Robert Redford, 'the natural'
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SlapALib1 year, 4 months ago
Agnostic to the core. I can't even prove I'm not simply a butterfly's dream. Send me a note when somebody gets something nailed down.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 4 months ago
http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/som...
* Albert Einstein — physicist
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.""I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.""I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
-ALBERT EINSTEIN
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Helixbuilder1 year, 4 months ago
Albmore, I think you missed the point of the article. In summary it says that these famous sceintist all believed in God and Creation. The inference is that they were all smarter than us, and so we should all believe in God too.
I don't buy that arguement at all.
We should all be free to make up our mind and not be coerced into belief.
The point the webpage author didn't bother to check the the accuracy of the quote form Einstein indicates a sloppyness. Worse yet,it could also suggest that the author is willing to lie to promote his own beliefs.
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Albmore1 year, 4 months ago
Helixbuilder my comments where refering to those of radio free.Also you missed my point. It doesn't matter what scientist do or do not believe, they cannot save or damn you and like I said most people quoted can be found at another point quoting the oppisite. I have seen Jefferson quotes posted by both Athiest and Christians do defend their beliefs. Does before the rooster crows you will deny me 3 times sound familiar?
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Helixbuilder1 year, 4 months ago
Your point still escapes me, how does science not leave room for God?
What difference does it make that evolution occurred?
Why should you care about what I believe?
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago
Albmore
Jefferson was agnostic-deist. Never a Christian. His selective words may have been used to give some other impression, but it would be quite false.
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jakob-z01 year, 4 months ago
Einstein: "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Maybe we are a sorry lot. It may be hard to imagine a God who punishes? But, that doesn't mean that there isn't a God who punishes. The universe is a very strange place. Like Stephen Hawkins said. It wouldn't surprise him if someone stuck there hand out of a Black Hole in space with a coke bottle. Maybe God will do that someday and freak us all out.
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earthlingerer1 year, 4 months ago
Whatever that thing you so easily term "god" is, it freaks me out everyday of my life.
I'm happy you're past all that.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
"Love thy neighbour as thyself" is a humanitarian statement that most athiest seem to follow but Christians seem to think it means love thy Christian neighbour.Many articles have been submitted by so called Christians that show how hateful Islam is and that it is acceptable to invade them, bomb them or even nuke them as they are hateful, evil and only want to wipe us out.The Orthodox Church headquaters is in Istanbul and it still survises to this day,it may not be as free as in the west but neither has these Christians been wiped out.This fact alone shows that the west needs someone to hate so the policies of the west can be termed as just and righteous."Love thy neighbour" does not mean nuke Iran but many a Christian seem to think it does
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Leather-neck1 year, 4 months ago
Hannibul,
"The Orthodox Church headquarters is in Istanbul"
I assume you are talking about the Orthodox Catholic Church in general? These churches are a mix of ethnic churches unlike the Roman Catholic Church in Rome. There is a Russian Orthodox Church HQ'd in Moscow, an American Orthodox Church HQ'ed in new York, the Greek Orthodox Church HQ'ed in Constantinople (their name for Istanbul), the Eastern Orthodox Church of Alexandria, the Orthodox Church of Jerusalem, the Albanian Orthodox Church, and the Antiochian Orthodox Church which services the Middle East. And the list goes on and on.
The reason the Orthodox Church has survived in Turkey is because, Turkey by way of their constitution is technically a secular state.
Now ask the Orthodox or any other group of Christians in Iraq, Israel and Palestine, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, and any other number of Muslim dominated countries how loving their Muslim brothers are toward them. You might be surprised by the answer.
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Leather-neck1 year, 4 months ago
And don't forget the Christians in Darfur, there is a regular love fest going on there between the Christians and their Muslim brothers.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
Leather-neck: Patriarch Aphrem I Barsoum (â; 1957) established St. Aphrem's Clerical School in 1934 in Zahle, Lebanon. In 1946 it was moved to Mosul, Iraq, where it provided the Church with a good selection of graduates, the first among them being His Holiness Patriarch Mor Ignatius Zakka I Iwas and many other of the Church's eminences.
In 1962 Patriarch Yakub III moved it back to Zahle, Lebanon.
In the year 1968 Patriarch Yakub III put up a building for the seminary in 'Atshanneh, Bekfeyah, Lebanon, where it remained until just before 1976 when its doors were closed because of the war clouds breaking over Lebanon.
In the year 1980 His Holiness Patriarch Mor Ignatius Zakka I Iwas was installed as Patriarch and one of the most important matters on His Holiness' mind was the issue of the seminary. The Holy Synod decided that Damascus should be the site of the seminary. His Holiness opened the institute in an old building in Haret al-Zeitoun in Bab Sharqi.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
Four of your canidates for POTUS disagree with you and they are Christian. The west has always had an enemy that was going to come get them; those godless commies so get involved in Vietnam, now it is those diff. god fanatical Islamics turn. To me they are scapegoats and the media is trying to get people to hate them so we can justify taking their oil.Love thy neighbour means no war,a total impossibility but a good sentiment to have when starting negotiations but if you get a punch in the nose by all means kick the sh it out of him; but Iraq never punched you, you punched him and now are threatening to punch Iran but looking over your shoulder at Sudan and maybe do the same all because they have something you want, and because you are just and righteous you make up excuses. I don't buy it, it is the actions of a bully
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
How a culture will distort their religion to suit them, how a political party will use this to steal what someone else has and how all these so called love thy neighbour Christians will go along with it as they have the right answer. what is your point?
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scriblerus11 year, 4 months ago
One can, without contradiction, believe in science and religion at the same time. Science is science and religion religion; they belong to two separate realms of consciousness. Science is logical and requires empirical proof. Religion belongs to the realm of myth and dream, but has its own truth. We of the post-enlightenment often err in attempting to use the tools of science and logic to prove or disprove religion. Thus, we get monstrosities like "intelligent design" and that stupid creationist museum someone posted a story about recently, where dinosaurs are depicted living at the same time as people.
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WCFIELDS1 year, 4 months ago
This is silly. Most of these characters would have been Roasted on a Stick had they not towed the line on the Church's beliefs.
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WCFIELDS1 year, 4 months ago
Including Einstein is a cheap shot. I can hear him rolling around in his grave right now.
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fishoutofwater1 year, 4 months ago
Any scientist's view on God is no more or less valid than is my view on God. God either exists or he doesn't; taking a poll or building a legal case for or against changes nothing. It's the same with science. Things either are or they are not, our view on them does not change their fundamental essence (except in the case of subatomic particles, which behave in ways not yet understood that seem to suggest the act of observing or measuring actually dictates certain properties, such as direction of spin).
Religion should concern itself with questions of "why?" and science with "How?"
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Dionys1 year, 4 months ago
Most people call the Christian God "He" because that's how it was translated into English. English doesn't have a very good/complimentary gender-neutral (or gender-inclusive) pronoun. "Elohim," one of the "names" for God in the Hebrew, has no gender. God is both S/he (or neither if you believe God transcends gender).
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