
Religion – A controversial documentary shines a spotlight on the growing evangelical youth movement, But, according to the film's distributor, some members of that movement would rather stay in the dark.
Karina:
Video Credits:
Writer/Editor/Narrator: Karina Longworth
Intro Music: Pl@stic
Jesus Camp clips courtesy of Magnolia Pictures
For more information on Jesus Camp, check out the film's web site, and a much-discussed ABC News piece about the film.
2006-09-28 10:03:05
Looks cool how do I join? That girls break-dancing moves are fresh!
Its funny how these people think no one but them knows god, and there way is the only way. like the you are with us or against us philosophy.
I don't think there is a conspiracy to keep this movie out of theaters by people who don't want it seen by the mass public. There are other more probable reasons I'm sure. Mabey its the freemasons or something?
Looking at that video reminds me of the nazi movement or a cult. That's just strait-up brainwashing of our children. Religion is the main cause of wars and death. The world would be better off without it. It doesn't take a book ( curan, bible, etc. ) to show me how to live my life morally. I guess there our some weak-minded people who cant find purpose in there lives and need to be told what to do. SAD, sheeple breeding sheeple, just get in line and do what i say!
NemoShiZniT:
"That's just strait-up brainwashing of our children. Religion is the main cause of wars and death. The world would be better off without it."
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Good post. I have expressed this opinion many times. It is the intractable nature of their beliefs that is the problem. There is no compromise. No wonder they admire GW.
In other clips they show these kids in camouflage talking about being warriors for God. Talking about how wars are necessary and that they may have to die for God.
That is no different from the beliefs of Fundamentalist Islam, our supposed foe.
Does God give a 5 year old the cognitive ability to really understand the Bible? C'mon, as you said this is straight up brainwashing. They see themselves as ideal children and others as somehow lesser beings. Scary stuff.
Ya know, this sort of thing brings to mind Geroge Orwell's 1984. Boy was he right...telescreen, victory gin, thought police, you name we already got it. We don't want it. It is becoming increasingly difficult to have any respect for what one commentor called "SHEEPLE". Lord have mercy, but they are so utterly small minded. In Jesus' name!
Great.....skinheads for jesus... this is not the religion of our fathers this is dangerous toxic waste, the intolerance, prejudice and bigotry in the name of god. These people will have a special place in hell for the blatant adulteration of christianity. This zealotry approximates the lunacy that exists now with the radical islamists. Except for the danger evangelicals present, it would be interesting to see where this movement ends up in 20 to 25 years if we can weather their wrath. Hopefully along the path most of these people will awaken from their stupor and realize this is not what jesus had in mind. Or we can hope for an early rapture and get most of them off the road.
Really nice that these people can't get along with their fellow believers. Ted Haggard is the Pres. of the NAE(Nat. Assoc. of Evangelicals) if he tells his flock of sheep not to see this, they won't. This group can keep bowing before pictures of Bush but if Rev. Ted tells Bush to ignore them he will. Rev. Ted has a bigger voting bloc.
To these folks the world is all black/white, only good and evil, and they get to judge where you fall. Who is that reminiscent of?
These people do not represent mainstream Christianity. They are nuts. The woman leading this group is nuts. The poor children are being used and misled. True evangelical Christians do not follow any one person, they follow the Bible. To bow down to a photo of anyone is crazy. I pray that one day, these kids will have a chance to see the true light.
"I think there should be a law prohibiting teaching children any kind of religion. Let children grow up first and make their own judgement. Chritianity and Islam are doing too much harm to human-beings."
Hmmmmm. That would be communist China, Russia, Mongolia.... just to name a few. Some of the most oppressed nations on earth. I am not a huge supporter of religion. It is pretty nauseating, in my opinion. HOWEVER, I did not hear any of these little people shouting "death to the infidels!" They may think they are religiously superior, but they are not for killing non- believers.
Karina, as far as unbiased reporting goes. You get a big fat F. You need to work a bit harder at keeping your personal feelings out of it. You sounded a bit like Hillary Clinton when she gets going.... like a screaming liberal. These people are not dangerous, they are doing things that make a lot of us uncomfortable.... but they are not propogated hate. If you want to be credible, maybe you should investigate terrorist training camps, or a muslim school in Afghanistan.
All of the analogies to "hitler and the nazis." Hmmmm. I am missing the pro death, antisemitic, kill the infidel theme in this clip.
I mean, if you want to compare this group of "fundamentalists" to radical Islam or Nazis... you would have to be able to support the idea that they want to kill people who are not like themselves. I don't see that happening here. They do seem to think they are better than others, but they also seem like they want to share what they believe makes them different with others. The little girl at the bowling ally didn't say, "accept my God or die." I think people are going way over board on this one.
That's it. Just ban voting for all religious people. That will totally solve the problem. OR we could just make religion illegal and go back in time. Please....
Midwifn, you say you are not a big fan of religion. Let me ask you one question, how did life begin? I mean, how did we all get here? How is it that the people on the bottom of the globe don't fall off? Why do humans, fish, animals, insects, etc have two eyes, one nose and a mouth all in pretty much the same layout? Ok maybe that was more than just one question. Doesn't that look like there is a fairly consistant design in the world around us? If there is a design, shouldn't there also be a designer of some kind? I have studied most all of the world's religions and I have come to the conclusion that I am a simple man. I need proof to believe something. The religion spoken about in the Bible is the only one that truely explains the creation of man and woman and the world in which we live in a provable way. Look at the human eye and tell me that came from a big bang (what caused the bang) or from evolution. There must be a higher power than man. I believe that power is God.
Mars... I agree, I do not really see the mainstream EV church following what the Bible says either. I drove by one the other day with a sign on it "Dreams. Hope. God." I found it ammusing that God was listed third of three things. The mainstream evangelical church is a social club.... with a little religion thrown in for good measure. Don't worry, if people keep adhering to Rick Warren and the Purpose Driven Life..... they won't even be bringing their Bibles to church much longer. Rick Warren doesn't advocate too much of the Bible. So.... yeah... CC.... sorry to say, by I disagree with you on that one.
If anything, I would not call these kids evangelical, maybe charismatic or pentacostal.
CC... Haha! Please, stop talking before you make yourself look any more self-righteous. I said I am not a big fan of religion. I did not say that I have no FAITH. Jesus did not come to bring us religion.
Also.... quit preaching at me about evolution. I have a masters in science.... I've studied it inside out.... and I agree with you, there is no way things came in to existence through evolution. We are living proof of a Creative Designer.
Back to the topic....
Mars... I am missing your 10% of my brain bash. Hatred, death, antisemitism... they are NOT in the video clip. So.... any group of people who are involved and active in a group could be equated to Hitler. Every football stadium filled with screaming, rivited fans... could be equated to Hitler.
Can you substantiate the Hitler comparision? Did I miss something in the video?
Sage, ((what was that which created the thing that created god?)) ROFLMAO
Maybe Daddy Bush-wack hehehe
No, the little ones did not speak of killing, but they are only children, give them time to grow up and begin to wonder why and how they are different from other kids their age--then the child will have to be referred to a Born Again psychologist before the voices in their heads tell them to "eliminate those who have not accepted Jesus as their savior". I doubt Jesus will be able to save them for what comes next! If he could, then why isn't Jesus stepping in to save Dumbya from himself?!?!
Be afraid, be very very afriad......
i was tricked into one of those camps when i was very young by a "Born again Nazi" (thats what I call them) that was frends with the family. Luckily I escaped, actually I think they may have rejected me, told me I had the devil in me lol
anarchy: Great post! LMAO
its funny you bring up the Free Masons, they are the most tolerant logical level headed people on this entire earth
www.nyfreemasons.org
This is absolutely sick and amounts to child abuse. I know because I am a child of a fundamentalist preacher. I had to get out into the real world and get my college education before I could see that I was being taught some radical crazy stuff.
These little soldiers are future fascist regime supporters.
Stop these radical fundie wackos!
truthaddict...
How do you recommend we stop them and why? You yourself said that you were raised by someone like the adults in this video... and you came to your "senses" after getting into the "real world" and going to college. Whose to say these kids will not do the same? Also, I did not see anything violent taking place here.... different, yes. Makes lots of us uncomfortable? Yes. I find it interesting that so many people are responding to this so aggressively. Would you be responding the same to a video on "peaceful" Muslim or Jewish children? I just think the whole psychology of it is kinda unique and interesting.
midwifn said:
"... you would have to be able to support the idea that they want to kill people who are not like themselves."
I would suggest you go YouTube and look at some additional clips. In particular the ABC News segment where the kids say they may have to die in a war for God and that isn't a problem to them. Or the kid in camouflage gear preaching to the others. And the little girl wailing "no more abortions" when she can't possibly be old enough to have a good understanding of the issue. They are being trained to be warriors..."only in a much funner way". These are little kids. This is brainwashing and just as dangerous as any other fundamental sect.
Fundamentalism makes you intolerant, uncompromising, assured of your righteousness and hateful towards others who don't have the same beliefs. Doesn't matter the religion. This is what God desires for us?
VOR
"Fundamentalism makes you intolerant, uncompromising, assured of your righteousness and hateful towards others who don't have the same beliefs. Doesn't matter the religion. This is what God desires for us?"
If this is your view of fundamentalists, you must be one based on your other very intolerant posts. Haha.
As for the rest, no, I did not view more. Maybe I will.... the kids could have been referring to Armagedon. They could also be under the impression that the world is falling apart.... and there will continue to be bloodshed. I think applying it to the radical Muslim mindset is a mistake.
As far as the little girl wailing about abortion.... how old was she? I was ten when my closest aunt had an abortion. I totally understood what she did.... kids are not stupid.
VOR...
Side note, I am not saying that I think what is going on here is just peachy keen. I am saying, I think it is dangerous to start labeling people and groups in one way or another when they have not shown such behavious. In the past I have called for peaceful Mulsim to renounce their brothers who engage in terror. They will not.
In this situation, I don't see any acts of terror taking place. If I did, I would certainly speak out against it.... I am not evangelical or "religious".... but I do have a faith.... and I don't want to lose my right to have a faith b/c people are intolerant toward religion. Follow me?
MarsDlugosz:
((KIDS ARE STUPID! HELLO!)) HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
midwifn: ((I have to object. Kids are not stupid.))
No, but YOU are! HELLO!
I think ppl here are not intolerant of diff religions, but they are intolerant of extreme fundamentalism! We take children away from their parents b/c they are unfit, is it 'fit' to teach our children that ppl who don't believe the way you do are going to hell and they may have to fight in a war for god?!?! Would that be a "Holy War"? Can you say J-I-H-A-D?!?!?!
"Fundamentalism makes you intolerant, uncompromising, assured of your righteousness and hateful towards others who don't have the same beliefs. Doesn't matter the religion. This is what God desires for us?"
If this is your view of fundamentalists, you must be one based on your other very intolerant posts. Haha"
Cute. You consider it intolerant to say that organized religion is evil. I base that on facts and incidents in actual life. That is knowledge. I am not perfect. I will be the first to say that. I want to hear that from one of these fundi's. I want to hear one of them say there might be a crack in their story. Might be an error in the Bible. The possibility they might be wrong.
As to political beliefs, history may prove me wrong on Iraq for instance. I could be wrong. Iraq may soon be a democratic Utopia. But I will continue to state my beliefs and risk looking like an idiot ten years down the road. I do like my odds on that one.
No one ever said that fundamentalists are nazis or that they teach their kids to kill...The point is its wrong in a very fundamental way to immerse kids in any religious philsophy beyond ability to think, and to preach a philosophy that says there is only one way....There are hundreds ...and for the record it is the fundamentalist and religious right movement that is primarily behind most concerted political efforts at censorship and other methods that will impose their values on others ...My mother is a wonderful human being and she is Baptist I have nothing against Christians and much of what I learned about human morality I learned from her and none of it had anything to do with the Bible...sorry Mom
let kids be kids...teach them basic right and wrong..teach them to value other PEOPLE and let them decide for themselves what religion they want to follow
Midwifn,
Please visit the link I included earlier. It will explain the true threat we face. These people do not believe in democracy or freedom. They believe the govt should be used to endorse and ENFORCE 'christian' rules and laws. The equivalent of Sharia law in an Islamic state. They are dominionists. Please learn what that means. I saw this from the inside. If you are a rational thinker it will send shivers up your spine.
As to how it could be that I could 'see the light'...my parents converted when I was near my teen years. We were Catholic prior to that. The children who have their minds captured befor they are age 7 are the ones in real trouble. These people have no critical thinking skills yet and will not question ANYHING they are taught before that age. This is the real danger. There is no deprogramming these people when they are brainwashed at such a young age. Islamic fundamentalists know this. This is the idea behind the Madrasas.
Fundamentalism kills
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Great review, Karina! I can't wait to check this flick out.