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Posted by: msaleem 1 year, 11 months agoStatistically of course compared to Atheists and Agnostics that is. Figured released in the U.S by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, 1997 showed startlingly revelations.
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moemebe
Sept. 4, 2006, 8:06 a.m.msaleem and Ed
Here's what I found:
Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Autobiography of Mark Twain
(but, as yet no actual record of this under Disraeli's authorship)
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Cybnetic
Sept. 4, 2006, 8:35 a.m.go ahead and let them keep sending thier hard earned money to those so called "god men and evangilists" maybe they will fund themselves right out of existence.
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lady_ducky
Sept. 4, 2006, 10 a.m.Jeff Cunningham is right. Duh...it doesn't take a genius to figure that out! Plus, any schmuck can *call* himself a Christian. Whether you take him at his word is your choice.
This isn't news, it's a farce.
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ck
Sept. 4, 2006, 10:01 a.m.Hi, worker, I was updating the post as I was accumulating the information. Better to point out the flaws with the post's statistical analysis and leave it so people can learn from it than flat out censor it, I think.
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lady_ducky
Sept. 4, 2006, 10:02 a.m.'I also added "Prison Statistics:" to the beginning of the title to try to diffuse how inflammatory it sounds.'
Big help that was -- like putting lipstick on an eel.
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kboy
Sept. 4, 2006, 10:11 a.m.Damn...using the same type of statistic information, I can prove that ALL murders and rapists drank milk as a child.
What a waste of a posting to spread this junk around...
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ck
Sept. 4, 2006, 10:11 a.m.lady ducky, I updated the title again. Now the post is a lesson in bad statistical analysis.
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msaleem
Sept. 4, 2006, 10:12 a.m.Hey everyone,
I just wanted to say that I'm sorry for the inflammatory post. And I hope you will forgive me if I have in anyway offended you, that was not my intention at all. Keep rockin' people. :)
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msaleem
Sept. 4, 2006, 10:43 a.m.I think if we all redirect the debate to this post, it will be better for everyone's health:
http://religion.netscape.com/story/2006/09/04/the-daily-show-islam-vs-christianity/
Let Steve Carrel and Steve Colbert decide.
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PaganGodess
Sept. 4, 2006, 12:02 p.m.EdRobertsII: {{Only statistic I'm worried about in prison is who's behind me in the shower.}}
Does this happened to you alot?
My question is where these people Christian before or after they got sent to prison?
{{A major study into average yearly incomes by Berry Kosmin in 1989 showed that more you believe in Jesus the less money you earn.}}
This I can believe! Some of the garbage that is fed to Cristians like "money is the root of all evil" and they swallow it hook, line and sinker! No wonder they remain in lower income brackets. It's a shame!
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msaleem
Sept. 4, 2006, 12:12 p.m.@worker, I don't think anyone really means harm here. We are all here to build a community. And I think its best if we assume responsibility for our mistakes and move on. Too often people will post something, and just start a flame war, that is not the right way.
As Netscape Navigators it is our responsibility to show the rest of the community the best practices in posting, commenting, and so on. But you must understand that we also make mistakes. All I can say is, just rock on.
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PaganGodess
Sept. 4, 2006, 12:28 p.m.Ed: No, our chips are not coming with us but that does not mean we can't enjoy them or earn as much as we are worth while we're here.
The "church" makes priests live in poverty - What is THAT??
As for the butt plug, enjoy!
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enoonsti
Sept. 4, 2006, 12:53 p.m.I've tried to think of an eloquent way to put this..... but I can't. This article is just plain crap.
No vote from me.
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lady_ducky
Sept. 4, 2006, 12:55 p.m.'Some of the garbage that is fed to Cristians like "money is the root of all evil" and they swallow it hook, line and sinker! No wonder they remain in lower income brackets. It's a shame!'
PaganGoddess,
There are more important things in life.
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lady_ducky
Sept. 4, 2006, 1 p.m.'The "church" makes priests live in poverty - What is THAT??'
Don't worry, by and large priests' needs are provided for. They have enough to eat, a car to get around, a decent place to live (depending on the region, I would guess), etc. But we do try to keep 'em humble. Would you prefer that they be obscenely rich?
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JimEspo
Sept. 4, 2006, 1:06 p.m.When quoted properly, it kinda makes sense...
I Timothy 6:10 --
For the LOVE of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some have been led astray from the faith in their greed, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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PaganGodess
Sept. 4, 2006, 1:20 p.m.lady ducky: {{There are more important things in life.}}
This may be true for you but not all. Bottom line is that money is needed by all people to feed them, shelter them, clothe them and give them some luxuries in life. It isn't wrong to want to enjoy having material things. It isn't wrong to HAVE material things.
From what I remember about going to church they teach the opposite and I simply refuse to buy into it anymore.
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alw111
Sept. 4, 2006, 1:23 p.m."shall i convert to islam now? is that your goal w/this tripe?"
It seems to me that the author was comparing those that follow an organized religion to those that dont. It wasnt neccesary for the author to give the population of all the less popular religions in the US to make his point. He listed the population percentage of the Christians and the atheist witch is all that was neccesary.
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PaganGodess
Sept. 4, 2006, 1:26 p.m.JimEspo: Those who have been "led astray" earn their money dishonestly and immorally.
{{For the LOVE of money is A root of all kinds of evil.}}
I don't think this quote from the bible is meant as a statement to blanket ALL people. Power can be considered "A" root of all kinds of evil too depending upon its use. Lots of things can be considered A root of evil but when used correctly it isn't wrong to want it or have it.
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TruthDetector
Sept. 4, 2006, 1:49 p.m.If these statistics are true, and let's presume they are, they only go to support the Christian beliefs. I am a devout Christian and at one time a leader in my church, I am in position to speak about Christianity. To those who have not taken a moment to learn what Christianity is, my comments may be a revelation, if I may use that term. I have two observations.
1). Christians are no different than anyone one else who isn't a Christian. We are all sinners alike and fall short.
2). These statistics are debunk as far as the writer using them to prove a point that Christians are poor, stupid and immoral. In order to really substantiate this point, which I have already pointed out in my previous statement, (Christians are not different than non-Christians) the statistics must be gathered at the time when the prisoners were first incarcerated. It is a well known fact that prisoners convert after they are incarcerated, at to what extent, this I do not know but I am very curious to find out.
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